2024 US Presidential Election

[arewethereyet]

Ya mean besides bigotry?  I'm thinking nada.

I'm presuming you are referring to racial bigotry?

So far you are the only one who has hold any prejudice against someone for their color of their skin, or again I ask - what was the problem with me having "white" in my name?

You are the one bringing up people coming up from the southern border and have mentioned blacks as well as Jews more than once.

If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck....

[TheWhiteMarten]

The source you provided is using 2017 numbers; this was during the peak of Trump-era border security regulations, the regulations that Democrats declared as racist and Biden/Harris promised to both repeal and open up.

Of course people were not coming here illegally, by means of foot, when we were funding our border patrol agency and giving them the legal measures to stop, detain, and secure migrants.

Thank you for making my point though; immigration *was* far more fair towards migrants under Trump's policy and was not an open gate that allowed millions of non-qualified and hostile foreign citizens to the country that damage our economy, steal work from hard working immigrants who came here through at least *remotely* savory means.

So, you got a source showing total numbers significantly different during Biden's term? Obama's? Clinton's? Hell, Carter's? Or, are you just gonna blow smoke?

Whatcha got?!?

Since we are specifically referring to the 3-year surge under the Biden/Harris adminstration it would seem silly to be bringing up presidents before even Trump's first term.

Via the Washington Post, illegal immigrations at the border spiked and hit record highs under President Biden between 2021 and 2023, averaging 2 million per year; even after re-enacting several Trump-era regulations border crossings it was only brought down to 1.3 million individuals over the first 3 quarters of the year.

Edit - I somehow *truly* managed to screw up the graph provided by the Office of Homeland Security, but here is the link to the article. i'll see if I cant find the graph elsewhere.

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[arewethereyet]

So, you got a source showing total numbers significantly different during Biden's term? Obama's? Clinton's? Hell, Carter's? Or, are you just gonna blow smoke?

Whatcha got?!?

Since we are specifically referring to the 3-year surge under the Biden/Harris adminstration it would seem silly to be bringing up presidents before even Trump's first term.

Via the Washington Post, illegal immigrations at the border spiked and hit record highs under President Biden between 2021 and 2023, averaging 2 million per year; even after re-enacting several Trump-era regulations border crossings it was only brought down to 1.3 million individuals over the first 3 quarters of the year.

Edit - I somehow *truly* managed to screw up the graph provided by the Office of Homeland Security, but here is the link to the article. i'll see if I cant find the graph elsewhere.

Bad quoting and

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[TheWhiteMarten]

I'm presuming you are referring to racial bigotry?

So far you are the only one who has hold any prejudice against someone for their color of their skin, or again I ask - what was the problem with me having "white" in my name?

You are the one bringing up people coming up from the southern border and have mentioned blacks as well as Jews more than once.

If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck....

Right, so by your logic I should juts assume you are a racist since your *first* statement was one tinged with a racial bias that you sure seem unwilling to answer.

I'm going to show you some courtesy you deny me and *not* assume you to be a racist, but please don't push and prove me wrong.

[arewethereyet]

You are the one bringing up people coming up from the southern border and have mentioned blacks as well as Jews more than once.

If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck....

Right, so by your logic I should juts assume you are a racist since your *first* statement was one tinged with a racial bias that you sure seem unwilling to answer.

I'm going to show you some courtesy you deny me and *not* assume you to be a racist, but please don't push and prove me wrong.

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[Thumpalumpacus]

Moot point.  The donald and vance have already said they think that people who came here legally are also illegals..who eat cats and dogs and geese.. or whatever.

Citation?

Happy you asked.





Probably too late for you anyway. This was out there well before election day and yet you still voted for him.

[TheWhiteMarten]

Since we are specifically referring to the 3-year surge under the Biden/Harris adminstration it would seem silly to be bringing up presidents before even Trump's first term.

Via the Washington Post, illegal immigrations at the border spiked and hit record highs under President Biden between 2021 and 2023, averaging 2 million per year; even after re-enacting several Trump-era regulations border crossings it was only brought down to 1.3 million individuals over the first 3 quarters of the year.

Edit - I somehow *truly* managed to screw up the graph provided by the Office of Homeland Security, but here is the link to the article. i'll see if I cant find the graph elsewhere.

Bad quoting and

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Got it, good safety measure against spammers.

I do have to ask, can you clarify what you mean by "last free pass?" I simply provided a link that was asked for, and as far as I am aware I have not made any other violation of forum rules. If it's just a matter of esprit de la loi, I understand.

If I am doing something wrong, just tell me so I don't have to walk on egg shells.

@Ravenshire, as I am not currently able to provide the links you asked for, the Washington Post has run a good article titled "Immigration - Trump vs. Biden on immigration: 12 charts comparing U.S. border security" that will provide the numbers, graphs, and sources they used to track the massive spike in illegal border crossings following Biden/Harris' policy of deregulating the border.

[TheWhiteMarten]

Citation?

Happy you asked.





Probably too late for you anyway. This was out there well before election day and yet you still voted for him.

That is the citation he is going to deport legal immigrants?

I don't care that he said something "wrong" based upon a commonly held misconception that the mentally ill Haitian woman who had come here legally was illegal; "eating cats and dogs" is frankly the *least* of what the worst of them are doing and only serves as a distraction from the actual criminals that are killing our citizens and putting strain on our law enforcement and social systems.

[arewethereyet]

Bad quoting and

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Got it, good safety measure against spammers.

I do have to ask, can you clarify what you mean by "last free pass?" I simply provided a link that was asked for, and as far as I am aware I have not made any other violation of forum rules.

If I am doing something wrong, just tell me so I don't have to walk on egg shells - there is no need for veiled threats and I have no intention to break any rule I've seen posted. I just have to know if there are more that aren't.

@Ravenshire, as I am not currently able to provide the links you asked for, the Washington Post has run a good article titled "Immigration - Trump vs. Biden on immigration: 12 charts comparing U.S. border security" that will provide the numbers, graphs, and sources they used to track the massive spike in illegal border crossings following Biden/Harris' policy of deregulating the border.

At the top of the page there is a link to the rules.  Read them.  Not really my job to be a babysitter though it seems that way sometimes.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Moot point.  The donald and vance have already said they think that people who came here legally are also illegals..who eat cats and dogs and geese.. or whatever.

Citation?

There's also this:

Sen. JD Vance stood by his false claim that Haitian migrants were eating pets in Springfield, Ohio — an unsupported story that former President Donald Trump has also echoed on the debate stage and on social media.

During a Sunday interview on CNN, the Ohio senator and Republican vice presidential nominee said his evidence for this claim was "the first-hand accounts of my constituents." He then went on to defend the dissemination of this false story.

“The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes," Sen. Vance said. "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do."

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/15/nx-s1-511...rants-pets

Note that Vance actually implies that he created the story. You fell for it. Bite their hook, fish.