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RE: Does reading a lot of Wikipedia give people a wrong idea how science works?
October 22, 2023 at 2:32 pm
(October 21, 2023 at 9:41 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (October 19, 2023 at 10:02 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: One a month? Nah. We have them on days ending in Y. ALL days ending in Y. Some days, more than one.
@FlatAssembler, you have a very naive view of guns, their dangers, and their worth as a deterrent,
It is naive to think that such a complicated problems as gun violence has such a simple solution as gun prohibition. And it is absurd to think that people giving up the most effective way of defending themselves is somehow going to end mass shootings.
What's truly fucking naive, is to believe handing civilians with no weapons training (the overwhelming percentage of civilian gun owners) a bunch of guns will actually make them better able to defend themselves. Untrained civilians are more likely to harm or kill themselves or innocent bystanders rather than successfully protect themselves. If you knew fuck-all about the subject, you'd know this.
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RE: Does reading a lot of Wikipedia give people a wrong idea how science works?
October 22, 2023 at 2:36 pm
(October 22, 2023 at 7:55 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: (October 22, 2023 at 7:06 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Serious question: Do you think drug prohibition works? Because it seems to me that you could use the exact same logic to argue for drug prohibition.
It probably helps, but someone addicted to drugs probaby won't kill a room full of strangers so not a fair comparison
Yeah, I don't think were ever going to see "3 killed and 14 wounded in drive by bonging!" as a headline.
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RE: Does reading a lot of Wikipedia give people a wrong idea how science works?
October 22, 2023 at 2:42 pm
(October 22, 2023 at 2:36 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: (October 22, 2023 at 7:55 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: It probably helps, but someone addicted to drugs probaby won't kill a room full of strangers so not a fair comparison
Yeah, I don't think were ever going to see "3 killed and 14 wounded in drive by bonging!" as a headline.
I have mugged my refrigerator while stoned, though.
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RE: Does reading a lot of Wikipedia give people a wrong idea how science works?
October 22, 2023 at 2:46 pm
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(October 22, 2023 at 2:42 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (October 22, 2023 at 2:36 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Yeah, I don't think were ever going to see "3 killed and 14 wounded in drive by bonging!" as a headline.
I have mugged my refrigerator while stoned, though.
If your fridge had had a gun, it could have defended itself. How much more senseless violence must we endure from the libs refusing to arm major appliances??
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RE: Does reading a lot of Wikipedia give people a wrong idea how science works?
October 23, 2023 at 3:27 am
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(October 22, 2023 at 2:32 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: What's truly fucking naive, is to believe handing civilians with no weapons training (the overwhelming percentage of civilian gun owners) a bunch of guns will actually make them better able to defend themselves. Untrained civilians are more likely to harm or kill themselves or innocent bystanders rather than successfully protect themselves. If you knew fuck-all about the subject, you'd know this.
-and 72% of them got those guns for the express purpose of shooting another human being - according to them.
When people tell you who they are.........
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Does reading a lot of Wikipedia give people a wrong idea how science works?
October 23, 2023 at 3:31 am
(October 23, 2023 at 3:27 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (October 22, 2023 at 2:32 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: What's truly fucking naive, is to believe handing civilians with no weapons training (the overwhelming percentage of civilian gun owners) a bunch of guns will actually make them better able to defend themselves. Untrained civilians are more likely to harm or kill themselves or innocent bystanders rather than successfully protect themselves. If you knew fuck-all about the subject, you'd know this.
-and 72% of them got those guns for the express purpose of shooting another human being - according to them.
When people tell you who they are.........
Here, stating that you want a firearms license so you can protect yourself is an automatic disqualification.
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RE: Does reading a lot of Wikipedia give people a wrong idea how science works?
October 23, 2023 at 4:08 am
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It's a part of the american psyche I try really hard to understand. It twists things in weird ways. We justifiably worry about a bunch of randos with guns...but would it be better if the people who bought guns for self defense™ were trained pros - who also happened to believe that they lived in a post apocalyptic hellscape america and needed a sidearm to travel to the cracker barrel in the smoldering ruins of portland? I feel like that'd be worse. Like we'd have to put out some kind of alert whenever those guys go anywhere.
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RE: Does reading a lot of Wikipedia give people a wrong idea how science works?
October 23, 2023 at 9:04 am
(October 22, 2023 at 11:26 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (October 22, 2023 at 7:11 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: But how do you know the causal relationship is not the other way around? How do you know that places that are unsafe don't tend to have more guns because they are unsafe, rather than the other way around? If you were forced to live in a high-crime area, wouldn't you want to get a gun to protect yourself?
It’s not a safety issue, it’s a gun violence issue. As regards gun violence, the US, literally awash with guns, ranks 131st (out of 197) in terms of personal safety. You could try looking things up instead of guessing.
I grew up in a place that was mind-numbingly unsafe. The idea of getting a gun never crossed my mind.
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Why focus only on gun violence? What makes you think that some murderers don't respond to gun control by using other weapons?
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RE: Does reading a lot of Wikipedia give people a wrong idea how science works?
October 23, 2023 at 9:22 am
(October 23, 2023 at 9:04 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: (October 22, 2023 at 11:26 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s not a safety issue, it’s a gun violence issue. As regards gun violence, the US, literally awash with guns, ranks 131st (out of 197) in terms of personal safety. You could try looking things up instead of guessing.
I grew up in a place that was mind-numbingly unsafe. The idea of getting a gun never crossed my mind.
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Why focus only on gun violence? What makes you think that some murderers don't respond to gun control by using other weapons?
Do you need an explanation as to how guns ease the process of killing?
Really?
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RE: Does reading a lot of Wikipedia give people a wrong idea how science works?
October 23, 2023 at 11:10 am
(October 23, 2023 at 9:04 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: (October 22, 2023 at 11:26 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s not a safety issue, it’s a gun violence issue. As regards gun violence, the US, literally awash with guns, ranks 131st (out of 197) in terms of personal safety. You could try looking things up instead of guessing.
I grew up in a place that was mind-numbingly unsafe. The idea of getting a gun never crossed my mind.
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Why focus only on gun violence? What makes you think that some murderers don't respond to gun control by using other weapons?
I’m focusing on gun violence because gun violence is the topic, you moron.
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