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RE: Artificially Interpreted
August 14, 2024 at 11:18 pm
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(August 14, 2024 at 9:47 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (August 8, 2024 at 2:26 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: I’m gonna bet that the AI picked that detail from a picture of Jerry Garcia. He was missing that finger too. Unless what I took to be a pointer finger is just another thumb.
Then again, AI is kinda shit on extremities like fingers and toes.
It's the details that matter. That's where AI actually sucks the most.
Do yourselves a favor, kids: trust your own brains and your own learning. Learn how to grow vegetables, repair an engine, distill water, build something ... AI is about outsourcing thinking. What person in their right mind wants to do that?
Read a fucking book already.
Hell, even with that, I specified that it was supposed to be the Drive version of Ryan Gosling, and for some reason, it came out with the La La Land version. Plus wardrobe elements from a bunch of characters.
This would make some more sense if they just decided they weren't going to do copyrighted characters, but when you make a mistake like that AND you've got as much of the world's art as you can grab at your fingertips, it's safe to assume that you suck.
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RE: Artificially Interpreted
August 14, 2024 at 11:22 pm
(August 14, 2024 at 11:14 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: All fine and well until you consider how many people don't question what they see ... sonny boy. Don't get defensive. Read what was written.
Ah, photo manipulation existed way before computers.
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RE: Artificially Interpreted
August 14, 2024 at 11:48 pm
(August 14, 2024 at 11:22 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: (August 14, 2024 at 11:14 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: All fine and well until you consider how many people don't question what they see ... sonny boy. Don't get defensive. Read what was written.
Ah, photo manipulation existed way before computers.
That's actually not the most dangerous part of AI, in my opinion. The photos, as I've pointed pointed out here and elsewhere, are visibly wrong to anyone paying attention. But when written disinformation is automated -- when Trump can only spin five or six lies a day, but servers can throw out dozens, with faked pics simple enough to fool the masses -- yeah, you might have a problem.
And it won't get any better, as the tech improves and detectability declines.
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RE: Artificially Interpreted
August 15, 2024 at 12:01 am
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(August 14, 2024 at 11:18 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (August 14, 2024 at 9:47 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: It's the details that matter. That's where AI actually sucks the most.
Do yourselves a favor, kids: trust your own brains and your own learning. Learn how to grow vegetables, repair an engine, distill water, build something ... AI is about outsourcing thinking. What person in their right mind wants to do that?
Read a fucking book already.
Hell, even with that, I specified that it was supposed to be the Drive version of Ryan Gosling, and for some reason, it came out with the La La Land version. Plus wardrobe elements from a bunch of characters.
This would make some more sense if they just decided they weren't going to do copyrighted characters, but when you make a mistake like that AND you've got as much of the world's art as you can grab at your fingertips, it's safe to assume that you suck.
It's also safe to assume that many folks aren't informed. AI some fiction all you want. Use your AI to "write" books or "compose" music. But when it comes to history and factual knowledge, AI is positively dangerous, given the general ignorance o the viewing public.
The fact that I could not tell who is and isn't Ryan Gosling in a fictional movie, well, what does that matter? But if AI starts citing "sources" like David Irving or Erich von Daniken -- and that's only a matter of time -- well, you're still going to be relying on the intelligence of the general public; and it's much easier to create bullshit than debunk it, especially when you're creating at the speed of computing.
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RE: Artificially Interpreted
August 15, 2024 at 12:35 am
In fairness, AI seems more likely to just create random sources than cite people like David Irving.
https://apnews.com/article/artificial-in...397aef381c
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RE: Artificially Interpreted
August 15, 2024 at 1:14 am
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(August 15, 2024 at 12:35 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: In fairness, AI seems more likely to just create random sources than cite people like David Irving.
https://apnews.com/article/artificial-in...397aef381c
In fairness, artificial sources might be better than David Irving. But the programming that drives them doesn't discriminate much, does it.
"It makes shit up on its but doesn't crib known liars" is not really a strong recommendation.
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RE: Artificially Interpreted
August 15, 2024 at 5:03 am
(August 14, 2024 at 9:47 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (August 8, 2024 at 2:26 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: I’m gonna bet that the AI picked that detail from a picture of Jerry Garcia. He was missing that finger too. Unless what I took to be a pointer finger is just another thumb.
Then again, AI is kinda shit on extremities like fingers and toes.
It's the details that matter. That's where AI actually sucks the most.
Do yourselves a favor, kids: trust your own brains and your own learning. Learn how to grow vegetables, repair an engine, distill water, build something ... AI is about outsourcing thinking. What person in their right mind wants to do that?
Read a fucking book already.
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I'm at about 75%.
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RE: Artificially Interpreted
August 15, 2024 at 5:05 am
(August 14, 2024 at 11:11 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: (August 14, 2024 at 9:47 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Do yourselves a favor, kids: trust your own brains and your own learning. Learn how to grow vegetables, repair an engine, distill water, build something ... AI is about outsourcing thinking. What person in their right mind wants to do that?
Ah, relax, grandpa, it's not like people are putting AI images in galleries, but we are using it to fill a niche of forum posts to amuse ourselves for a few seconds.
Like this image would be too demeaning for some artist to make, but not for AI
There is NOTHING too demeaning for some artist to make.
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RE: Artificially Interpreted
August 15, 2024 at 5:22 am
(August 14, 2024 at 11:03 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (August 14, 2024 at 9:51 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: ^Though I love technology and though kinda old when I had to make the move to computers, I embraced it fully.
AI - not so much.
The first word is enough for me. I have no interest and am tired of it infiltrating everything.
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lol, I get that. I won a small cash scholarship in high school for programming computers, and when I enlisted in the USAF, two of the five slots on my dream sheet directly involved computer ops, one indirectly involved computer ops (cryptanalyst), and the last two were B-52 tail-gunner and firefighter.
Fuckin' AF went all the way to slot five and trained me to run into burning buildings instead of away. Assholes.
Let's see an AI train firefighters.
Back when I was in AIT, I was trained as a Combat Telecommunications Center Operator. Supposedly we were using computers but they were glorified typewriters at best. You could not do anything with them other than send a message to another unit hooked up to the one you were working on. There wasn't even a screen really, just a little line where what you just typed showed up. I ended up in supply for a while because I could type. vzczcz started and ended every message.
I hate to think how many times I typed "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog".
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RE: Artificially Interpreted
August 15, 2024 at 11:18 am
I remember those days. I used a FRITTER II, basically an email machine the size of an arcade game with no color but green.
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