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Advanced alien civilizations could be communicating 'like fireflies' in plain sight, researchers suggest

Advanced alien civilizations may communicate via a series of flashing lights, similar to how fireflies do, a new paper hints. This would potentially make extraterrestrials much harder to spot if we continue to rely on our current observation techniques, the researchers argue.

However, while this thought experiment raises interesting questions about alien intelligence, it does not provide any evidence that these signals actually exist.

On Earth, fireflies communicate via a series of regularly repeating flashes caused by internal chemical reactions. These flashes are mainly used to find mates. But while these signals are simple, they do allow distinct firefly species to tell each other apart.

The researchers argue that similar flashing could be used as "here we are" signals by an alien civilization. And space is plentiful with repetitive bursts of light.

In the new paper, researchers analyzed the flashes of more than 150 pulsars — rapidly spinning, highly magnetized neutron stars that shoot out regular beams of electromagnetic radiation — as a proxy for what these signals may look like. And while they found no evidence of any artificial signals, they did note some similarities between the pulsars and firefly signals, and proposed ways of being able to detect future firefly-like flashes from other natural objects, like pulsars.

The study team argues that these signals could be more likely to evolve in long-lasting alien civilizations that progress past the need for widespread use of radio waves. A similar progression is already happening on Earth, where the use of communications satellites with more specific and concentrated radio signals is making our planet appear more "radio quiet" from afar, the researchers wrote.

And just because we may not naturally think to communicate in this way, it doesn't mean that other civilizations wouldn't, they added.

This is just one example of what non-human signals may look like, and the researchers encourage others to think outside of the anthropocentric box to come up with other ways that a non-human-like civilization could communicate.

https://www.livescience.com/space/extrat...rs-suggest
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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(January 7, 2026 at 5:35 pm)FakeĀ Messiah Wrote: Advanced alien civilizations could be communicating 'like fireflies' in plain sight, researchers suggest

Advanced alien civilizations may communicate via a series of flashing lights, similar to how fireflies do, a new paper hints. This would potentially make extraterrestrials much harder to spot if we continue to rely on our current observation techniques, the researchers argue.

However, while this thought experiment raises interesting questions about alien intelligence, it does not provide any evidence that these signals actually exist.

On Earth, fireflies communicate via a series of regularly repeating flashes caused by internal chemical reactions. These flashes are mainly used to find mates. But while these signals are simple, they do allow distinct firefly species to tell each other apart.

The researchers argue that similar flashing could be used as "here we are" signals by an alien civilization. And space is plentiful with repetitive bursts of light.

In the new paper, researchers analyzed the flashes of more than 150 pulsars — rapidly spinning, highly magnetized neutron stars that shoot out regular beams of electromagnetic radiation — as a proxy for what these signals may look like. And while they found no evidence of any artificial signals, they did note some similarities between the pulsars and firefly signals, and proposed ways of being able to detect future firefly-like flashes from other natural objects, like pulsars.

The study team argues that these signals could be more likely to evolve in long-lasting alien civilizations that progress past the need for widespread use of radio waves. A similar progression is already happening on Earth, where the use of communications satellites with more specific and concentrated radio signals is making our planet appear more "radio quiet" from afar, the researchers wrote.

And just because we may not naturally think to communicate in this way, it doesn't mean that other civilizations wouldn't, they added.

This is just one example of what non-human signals may look like, and the researchers encourage others to think outside of the anthropocentric box to come up with other ways that a non-human-like civilization could communicate.

https://www.livescience.com/space/extrat...rs-suggest

Ye gods that's dreadful. That isn't science. That's a sensationalizedĀ pop-sci article based on something uploaded to arXiv.
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(January 7, 2026 at 5:35 pm)FakeĀ Messiah Wrote: And just because we may not naturally think to communicate in this way, it doesn't mean that other civilizations wouldn't, they added.

I am of the strong opinion that no actual intelligent civilisation would initiate random contact, unless they are absolutely suicidal, and yes, we humans are a suicidal species Hmph
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Let's clone Leonardo!

Quote:Scholars on a quixotic quest to identify Leonardo da Vinci’s DNA achieve a milestone

Gonzalez-Juarbe’s swabs may have captured a biological clue. In a remarkable milestone in a decadelong odyssey, he and other members of the Leonardo da Vinci DNA Project (LDVP), a global scientific collective, report in a paper posted today on bioRxiv that they have recovered DNA from Holy Child and other objects—and some may be from Leonardo himself.

The preprint concludes that Y chromosome sequences from the artwork and from a letter penned by a cousin of Leonardo both belong to a genetic grouping of people who share a common ancestor in Tuscany, where Leonardo was born. The data suggest the DNA on the artwork could be Leonardo’s, but it’s far from proof, says geneticist Charles Lee, whose team at the Jackson Laboratory for Genomic Medicine analyzed samples from Holy Child. ā€œEstablishing unequivocal identity … is extremely complex,ā€ agrees LDVP’s David Caramelli, an anthropologist and ancient DNA specialist at the University of Florence (UNIFI).

That’s because scientists can’t verify the sequences against any DNA samples known to have come from Leonardo himself. His burial site was disturbed early in the 19th century, and he had no direct descendants. Circumstantial evidence that the DNA fragments are Leonardo’s could come from other LDVP research: Y chromosome sampling of recently identified living descendants of his father, and efforts to extract DNA from tombs where his relatives are buried. But identifying Leonardo’s DNA is ā€œabout as hard a target there isā€ in ancient DNA research, says S. Blair Hedges, an evolutionary biologist at Temple University.

Identifying Leonardo’s DNA could not only help pin down the origin of disputed pieces such as Holy Child, but might point to biological traits underpinning his genius, although some scholars resist chalking up his abilities to his genes. ā€œI tend to explain Leonardo more as the result of a favorable cultural and economic context,ā€ says Leonardo expert Domenico Laurenza, an art historian at the University of Cagliari.

Yet some of what made Leonardo unique seems rooted in biology. His extraordinary ability to capture subtle shifts of light and motion, for example, has long hinted at exceptional visual acuity. LDVP aspires to one day find genetic variants that could account for it, says Gonzalez-Juarbe, who works at the University of Maryland. ā€œOur hope is to open a door to explaining what was so unique about the smartest guy in history.ā€

https://www.science.org/content/article/...inci-s-dna
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Gary Wenk Ph.D. :
Do Aliens from Other Planets Also Believe in Gods?

One day, probably far off in the very distant future, if astronomers are correct in their assumptions about the vastness of space, Earth will be visited by intelligent beings from another planet. We can’t predict what they will look like; however, I think that they will be able to tell us about their gods and their spiritual rituals.

My prediction is based on only two assumptions. First, our visitors from space can die; they are not immortal. Second, they care about each other. When one of their own dies, they mourn them, just as humans do. These assumptions, I think, will have led these aliens to invent gods and a belief in the afterlife. Belief in the afterlife, where we defeat death and are reunited with loved ones who have died, is the basis of all past and current religions. This desire is so pervasive and universal that humans have imagined being reborn into an afterlife in many, many places, such as Heaven, the Fields of Elysium, Tartarus, the Isles of the Blessed, Valhalla, Fólkvangr, Kibu, Pulotu, Duat, Diyu, Yomi, and more. It’s a very long list

Anthropologists estimate that at least 12,000 different gods, goddesses, and various animals or objects have been worshipped by humans since our species first appeared in the archeological record. At least 2000 different religions are practiced by humans today. The evolution of humans has clearly selected a brain that can accept an illogical world of supernatural causes and beings. Why not assume that the same thing once happened to our alien friends? Spirituality must offer something tangible that enhances procreation and survival. Otherwise, evolution should have selected against such costly beliefs and behaviors as making gigantic pyramids to house the dead, blowing oneself up for the pleasures of paradise, or sacrificing one's children as a measure of devotion to one’s deity.

Religious beliefs, spirituality, and the need to worship a deity of some kind are undoubtedly durable traits. Some gods were worshipped for very long periods and then virtually disappeared from the historical record. For example, the sun god Ra was worshipped by many different cultures for thousands of years and then completely disappeared. If historical precedent holds, many of the gods worshipped today will be forgotten and quickly replaced by others.

However, given the advanced level of technology required for intergalactic space travel, it is likely that this highly evolved and intelligent alien visitor would have already discarded their own ancient mythologies. Numerous studies of humans have consistently shown a robust negative association between religiosity and intelligence. We now see the consequences of a more educated world, as evidenced by a reduction, across countries and cultures, in public participation in religious services; a decrease in the personal importance of religion; and a decline in formal religious affiliation.

By the time aliens finally land on Earth, it is likely that both humans and aliens will be able to share stories about their respective long-past civilizations that once believed in supernatural beings.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...n-gods/amp
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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The question is whether an advanced species will view religion as theology or an exercise in history and anthropology.
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New fear unlocked: Runaway black holes

Last year, astronomers were fascinated by a runaway asteroid passing through our solar system from somewhere far beyond. It was moving at around 68 kilometers per second, just over double Earth's speed around the sun.

Imagine if it had been something much bigger and faster: a black hole traveling at more like 3,000km per second. We wouldn't see it coming until its intense gravitational forces started knocking around the orbits of the outer planets.

This may sound a bit ridiculous—but in the past year, several lines of evidence have come together to show such a visitor is not impossible. Astronomers have seen clear signs of runaway supermassive black holes tearing through other galaxies, and have uncovered evidence that smaller, undetectable runaways are probably out there too.

It is difficult to search for relatively small runaway black holes. But a runaway black hole of a million or billion solar masses will create huge disruptions to the stars and gas around it as it travels through a galaxy.

They are predicted to leave contrails of stars in their wake, forming from interstellar gas in the same way contrails of cloud form in the wake of a jet plane. Stars form from collapsing gas and dust attracted to the passing black hole. It's a process that would last for tens of millions of years as the runaway black hole crosses a galaxy.

So runaway black holes tearing through and between galaxies are a new ingredient of our remarkable universe. It's not impossible that one could turn up in our solar system, with potentially catastrophic results.

We should not lose sleep over this discovery. The odds are minuscule. It is just another way that the story of our universe has become a little bit richer and a bit more exciting than it was before.

https://phys.org/news/2026-01-runaway-black-holes.html
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Even if it happened we could do nothing about it so why worry?
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If it ever happened, we'd see it coming millions of years in advance courtesy of that unsubtle "contrail of stars". Black holes don't sneak worth a damn. When they say "not impossible" they mean "not completely ruled out by theory or statistics, but impossible nonetheless, because we'd have noticed it." This isn't science, it's speculative disaster porn.
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