More protests Against The Theocratic Regime in Iran

[Leonardo17]

Brian Sodding Boru:
 
In 2020, Juan Guaido was already designated as the truly elected president of Venezuela because the election was rigged. The same scenario happened last year with Maria Machado who (thanks for reminding me) could not be a candidate to presidency because of the regimes false accusation. And if I am correct, it was her daughter that collected the Nobel Peace Prize for her because she had to keep hiding from the regime.
 
Anyway: What I mean is that there is a strong anti-Maduro opposition in Venezuela. His predecessor Hugo Chavez had this “socialist” aura around him and he was sincerely attempting something while Maduro’s regime is (was) simply a broken regime that was an open invitation to foreign intervention (just like Haiti, Iran or the former Syria or Iraq if you like).
 
So if I was Trump I would try to work to people like Juan Guaido or Maria Machado. And I am saying this because I’ve heard that he is willing to work with remnants of the Maduro regime like this Delcy Rodrigez who actually fled to Russia and is rejecting the US involvement in her country:
 
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/4/...he-country
 
Many experts are pointing to the danger of US interventionism. There are huge debates and sometimes rejection of this latest move of the White House in a foreign country. The MAGA base is said to be critical of this as well.
 
Still: It may all end well if true elections are organized there. And the US will still get its oil-bonus because not everyone is able to exploit Venezuelan oil that requires a more sophisticated type of refining.
 
And by the way, all oil / gas and coal today are oil / gas and col that are supposed to stay inside the earth instead of being extracted and burned into the atmosphere:




 
Ivan Denisowich:
 
- No the debate is out. Many experts are seriously worried about Trump’s intervention in foreign soil.
 
But let’s return to the main subject: What would you do about Iran for instance? It’s not that I like Netanyahu or what he did in Gaza. But I still like him (and Trump) taking a stand and (at least seemingly) siding with Iranian demonstrators.
 
The problem with authoritarianism does what Muhammad Reza Pahlawi did and simply leave the country or be like Gorbatchev and Yeltsin and give freedom a chance. Most of them will use chemical weapons on their own people because that’s what their inflated ego-sense dictates them to do (and this is a major theme in some biblical / scriptural stories).
 
I remember the time when they hung Saddam Hussain during Muslim Holiday celebrations. What do you expect me to do? – Should I cry for them?

[Paleophyte]

And by the way, all oil / gas and coal today are oil / gas and col that are supposed to stay inside the earth instead of being extracted and burned into the atmosphere:

I'm not sure if you understand how fossil fuels work, so let me explain it to you. Oil that's still in the ground isn't in your gas tank. You seem very confused.

[Ivan Denisovich]

But let’s return to the main subject: What would you do about Iran for instance? It’s not that I like Netanyahu or what he did in Gaza. But I still like him (and Trump) taking a stand and (at least seemingly) siding with Iranian demonstrators.

I wouldn't advocate for a fascist to step in.
 

The problem with authoritarianism does what Muhammad Reza Pahlawi did and simply leave the country or be like Gorbatchev and Yeltsin and give freedom a chance. Most of them will use chemical weapons on their own people because that’s what their inflated ego-sense dictates them to do (and this is a major theme in some biblical / scriptural stories).

Sure. Any evidence to back your delusions?
 

I remember the time when they hung Saddam Hussain during Muslim Holiday celebrations. What do you expect me to do? – Should I cry for them?

I don't give a shit about muslim holidays.

[Leonardo17]

Paleophyte:
…and therefore we must use public transportation more often, ride a bicycle or walk to our workplace if we can, use train and buses instead of aircrafts if we can and vote for governments who are ready to invest more in solar and wind energy projects instead of digging more fossil fuels out of the earth.
 
That oil is not going to harm us as long as it remains there.
 
Ivan denisovich:
 
1) Yes you are right about it. Demonstrators are reported to take over police stations in some provinces. And the son of the former Shah is ready to side with his people on the way to a secular democracy:




 
- So there is huge potential in Iran. The Mullahs can be ousted just like the English were ousted from India in 1947. All they have to do is back up.
 
2) I don’t know which part you are talking about. But Abrahamic scriptures are full of stories with worldly / material powers who are opposed to more spiritual or divine powers. And it’s full of deep realities if you know how to see them.

 
3) Ok

[The Grand Nudger]

Anyway: What I mean is that there is a strong anti-Maduro opposition in Venezuela. His predecessor Hugo Chavez had this “socialist” aura around him and he was sincerely attempting something while Maduro’s regime is (was) simply a broken regime that was an open invitation to foreign intervention (just like Haiti, Iran or the former Syria or Iraq if you like).

Been seeing so much of the sexy skirt theory lately.
 

So if I was Trump I would try to work to people like Juan Guaido or Maria Machado. And I am saying this because I’ve heard that he is willing to work with remnants of the Maduro regime like this Delcy Rodrigez who actually fled to Russia and is rejecting the US involvement in her country:

She didn't flee to russia.  She was the us's man on the inside.

[Ivan Denisovich]

 
1) Yes you are right about it. Demonstrators are reported to take over police stations in some provinces. And the son of the former Shah is ready to side with his people on the way to a secular democracy:

I'm sure that son of the former Shah is interested in democracy.
 

- So there is huge potential in Iran. The Mullahs can be ousted just like the English were ousted from India in 1947. All they have to do is back up.

There might be potential but I doubt that anything will come of these protests.
 

2) I don’t know which part you are talking about. But Abrahamic scriptures are full of stories with worldly / material powers who are opposed to more spiritual or divine powers. And it’s full of deep realities if you know how to see them.

 And other fairy tales to tell?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Let’s forget our individual differences and focus on what is really happening. I found a new news-channel called VX. Here is their report:





 
 
At least 7 protesters have already lost their lives. The U.S. President Donald Trump is warning the regime against any brutal mass killing of the people who are struggling for democratic change in their country.

I believe That Iran has turned into the Venezuela of the Middle East in many ways. I think that it belongs more to the 1980’s or 1990’s than to the second quarter of the 21st century in terms of both the sociology of Iran and the political reality of the Middle-East.
 
Some say it will become another failed state if the Mullahs were to go. I don’t agree with that. There are plenty of educated people who can draft the constitution of a secular republic there. And the Shah in exile is also saying to assist the Iranian people in a transition to a more democratic regime.
 
What do you think about that? 

The prince has no respect inside the country, I think.

[Thumpalumpacus]

 But I still like him (and Trump) taking a stand and (at least seemingly) siding with Iranian demonstrators.

The Iranian protestors are of no concern to Netanyahu or Trump except insofar as using the protests can advance the interests of Netanyahu or Trump. They aren't standing for Iranian people. They're standing for their political goals. Not to mention that the only two countries "taking a stand" are decades-long historic enemies, both of whom have bombed them in the last year.

Iranians aren't stupid. They see through this, I bet.

[Leonardo17]

Grandnudger:
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/v...026-01-03/
 
Denisovich:
 
1) What his father and grandfather did (or tried to do) was actually the more difficult approach. And I believe that it is Imperialist Western powers who had convinced the Grandfather Reza Pahlavi to declare himself monarch instead of proclaiming a secular republic.
 
Western Monarchies are all completely symbolic monarchies. So I believe that the crown Prince knows that and he is very likely to settle for a completely secular type of republic.
 
2) What do you mean? Are you saying that the Mullah Regime will simply last into the 2030’s and beyond?
 
3) I’m not telling you fairy tales. I’m only reminding you that in many forms of spirituality this “worldly power” thing is mentioned and we are often reminded in these approaches that all forms of worldly powers have their limits. This is a central theme in all Abrahamic belief systems.
 
Thumpalumpagus:
 
I don’t know if what they want is a return to monarchy but protesters are chanting “Death to Khameinei” (the supreme Leader). And “Long Live Pahlawi”.
 
For those of you who are not familiar with the subject I can say that the Pahlawi dynasty (despite its authoritarian nature) was a very modernizing and secular force during the greater part of the 20th century (until the Islamic revolution).
 
I even believe that Western Imperialists backed these Mullah’s just to avoid Iran becoming too powerful by investing all the oil money into the modernization of the country. Without the Mullah’s, they would probably be an candidate to join the European Union by now (or could even be creating their own free-trade zone or something like that). But that’s my personal conspiracy theory here.
 
2) Well, yes and no.
 
Israel and the like of Trump probably want to keep us in ninja warrior dresses with completely primitive, self-absorbed and corrupt regimes in the form of “religious” regimes so they can come and take whatever they want with no coherent Muslim - majority country to resist or even criticize Israeli Expansionism and the Jewish version of religious dictatorship.
 
My personal view is that, this cannot go on any longer. Since the fossil fuel era is coming to an end no matter what. I am going to put my efforts on the side of democratic and rational actors in the region. And that includes Israel. I have no problem with the Jews but I’ve also had it with their expansionism that is turning the entire region into a cannon powder warehouse.
 
Check out this “Voive of Hind Rajab” movie that came out this year if you can:
 
   https://www.imdb.com/title/tt36943034/
 
I think the whole region is desperate for more reasonable and humane forms of governance and that includes Iran and Israel too. Even Trumps “Riviera” plan is a plan that is supposed to bring more stability to the region (even if it’s a fictional plan that is completely uninformed about the reality on the ground).
 
And yes, I think that even Netanyahu is probably aware that things cannot go on like this forever. So whatever he is calculating, he is also probably aware that the IRI has to go.
 
So no matter what: I want foreign leaders to back these demonstrators even if it is completely symbolic or due to other types of political calculations.

[Ivan Denisovich]

1) What his father and grandfather did (or tried to do) was actually the more difficult approach. And I believe that it is Imperialist Western powers who had convinced the Grandfather Reza Pahlavi to declare himself monarch instead of proclaiming a secular republic.

I on the other hand don't believe so.
 

Western Monarchies are all completely symbolic monarchies. So I believe that the crown Prince knows that and he is very likely to settle for a completely secular type of republic.

Western monarchies did not gave up power out of goodness of their hearts. Dude you call prince might know this but that does not mean that he would give up power if he ever would be in position to do so in the first place.
 

2) What do you mean? Are you saying that the Mullah Regime will simply last into the 2030’s and beyond?

What is hard to understand in this sentence: "There might be potential but I doubt that anything will come of these protests."?
 

3) I’m not telling you fairy tales. I’m only reminding you that in many forms of spirituality this “worldly power” thing is mentioned and we are often reminded in these approaches that all forms of worldly powers have their limits. This is a central theme in all Abrahamic belief systems.

You are. "Deep realities" are some dumb mumbo-jumbo. You might try to backpedal now but that does not work when everyone can see what you wrote earlier.