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Is God always "just"?
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 (May 5, 2011 at 9:11 am)Zen Badger Wrote: *Translated* Yeah..Waldork thinks an eternal torture in Hell is Just. What a diabolical demon he worships.  RE: Is God always "just"?
May 5, 2011 at 3:17 pm
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2011 at 3:26 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
I figured the logical weight of my argument would be a bit much for your "mental muscles". Thanks for not disappointing me. You are living proof that there are just as many irrational atheists as there are theists. Thanks for that much. (May 5, 2011 at 3:14 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:(May 5, 2011 at 9:11 am)Zen Badger Wrote: *Translated* Actually I don't think that, I know that. It's perfect logic. Something you guys seem to claim to practice with your mouths but never actually do with your minds. A crime against a being with greater authority requires greater punishment. Punch someone on the street and see what kind of punishment you get. Now, punch the President of the United States and see how much harsher your punishment is, and for good reason. He possesses more authority than the person on the street. God possesses infinite authority over man, so even one single crime against God (sin) is enough to justly merit eternal punishment. However, because He is not only just but also loving and gracious we all get far less than what we actually deserve. People whining about getting less punishment than they actually deserve is what is truly evil, not God.  RE: Is God always "just"?
May 5, 2011 at 3:34 pm
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2011 at 3:34 pm by Napoléon.)
(May 5, 2011 at 3:17 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: A crime against a being with greater authority requires greater punishment. Surely it was god who commited the first crime, because if he is supposedly omniscient then he would of realised that the vast majority of humanity would sin, and not only sin but refuse to believe in him. Knowing this, god supposedly went ahead and created us anyway the oh so generous and loving god he is. Only to KNOWINGLY send the vast majority of the human race down the fucking drain to hell, because he supposedly granted us 'freewill'. Well that's the come back you're going to give right? that it was US who CHOSE to go to hell? Creating something and giving it freewill only to send it to hell, fully knowing that it will 'rebel' and 'sin', is not a get out clause for being a sadistic bastard. It is cruel, sick, twisted, vile, arrogant and just plain wrong on oh so many levels. waldork Wrote:Actually I don't think that, I know that. It's perfect logic. Something you guys seem to claim to practice with your mouths but never actually do with your minds.This is why people like you should be watched closely. There isnt something clicking in your head that clicks in normal peoples heads. I am willing to bet this same mental deficiency is shared in extremist muslim brains as well. There is definitely an anti-social mode of thought going on here as well. waldork Wrote:A crime against a being with greater authority requires greater punishment. Punch someone on the street and see what kind of punishment you get. Now, punch the President of the United States and see how much harsher your punishment is, and for good reason. He possesses more authority than the person on the street. God possesses infinite authority over man, so even one single crime against God (sin) is enough to justly merit eternal punishment. However, because he is not only just but also loving and gracious we all get far less than what we actually deserve. People whining about getting less punishment than they actually deserve is what is truly evil, not God.There is one BIG, MAJOR difference...your god is imaginary...your imaginary freidn cant be slapped. So what we normal people really see in your post is that you think that paying back a slap with a nuclear bomb is not only plausable, but required. Waldork..PLEASE..go seek some help. You have a very bad problem and you need help man. RE: Is God always "just"?
May 5, 2011 at 3:40 pm
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2011 at 3:44 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
Where does it say He granted us free will? That's nowhere in scripture. It also never says that God's purpose for creation was for the majority of men to "choose" to be saved. Not sure what God you think you are arguing against but it is not the God of the Bible. You are absolutely right, what is clicking in my head is certainly not clicking in yours. It's called logic. You made at least two logically fallacious arguments here (quite impressive considering how short your post was). First, you resorted to ad hominem rather than duking it out on logical grounds. Secondly, this discussion assumed God did exist if you read the original thread, so your second point is really just a red herring fallacy. Nice try though. RE: Is God always "just"?
May 5, 2011 at 3:49 pm
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2011 at 3:57 pm by Napoléon.)
AHHHHH! so what you're saying is, is that adam and eve DIDN'T choose to disobey god? am i right? by what you're saying god created them so that they WOULD disobey?
Well if thats the case then this god of yours really is one sick fucker. He created us right from the beginning just to doom a large proportion of us to hell. Whats the fucking point in that? am i missing something? I see you are picking and choosing your own interpretation of the bible. “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.” (Deuteronomy 30:19) “And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” (Joshua 24:15) “Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways.” (Proverbs 3:31) Hmmmm, no element of choice here eh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will "Free will is the apparent ability of agents to make choices free from certain kinds of constraints" As posted above proves that men are indeed allowed to make choices. PROVING that the bible shows we have free will. You clearly have not read your own fucking book have you? RE: Is God always "just"?
May 5, 2011 at 4:06 pm
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2011 at 4:07 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
Moving the goal posts I see, you were talking about man post Adam having free will, not Adam and Eve. I see we have moved to talking about Adam and Eve. Scripture does not tell us the nature of their wills. All we know is that after they sinned man's will was no longer free and enslaved to sin. He is unable to choose God without regeneration first happening. As to your second point, you are getting into deep theological territory there. God commands man to do things he is unable to do all the time. This is part of God's decretive will, even though His efficacious will may differ. So just because man is commanded to "choose" life over death by no logical reasoning means he is morally able to do so.
ALSO one last point, because your retarded acknowledgement that god apparently 'did not give us free will' is bugging me so much.
Can you please explain, how there is sin, without free will? RE: Is God always "just"?
May 5, 2011 at 4:12 pm
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2011 at 4:13 pm by Napoléon.)
Oh right, so adam and eve had free will but we don't? funny, never heard that one before.
I do enjoy how you christians make things up on the spot. (May 5, 2011 at 4:10 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:(May 5, 2011 at 4:07 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: ALSO one last point, because your retarded acknowledgement that god apparently 'did not give us free will' is bugging me so much. so we sin without free will? in other words god created us to do evil? ISNT THAT EVIL? why can you not comprehend this quite obvious logic? |
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