Josh McDowell

[salty]

I see what you mean now Ace, thank you. I agree they are easy for anyone to pull apart and you all have challenged me, which I appreciate, I needed a kick in the pants, it's just that, I really want to be friends with you guys, because I know that there's more to each of you than this kind of attitude, but how can I express my true thoughts and concerns to a bunch of raving, angry, aggressive people? I can't. I've grown so weary of the little sarcastic kickers at the end of comments, I don't even read most responses. I read Rhythm, I read Search, Sae & sometimes Minimalist, Welsh & Ace, but usually I don't get past Sae.

Salty -

We have several theists here who staunchly defend their faith as best they see how, but some of them are friends with many members of this board because they also talk about other things. I don't make friends with theists because of their religion, but because of the person they are underneath (which I wish they'd realize they would be without the god-shit). I noticed most of your posts have to do with religious things, and I realize you're curious, but if you branch out and let us see the other facets of your personhood I guarantee it'll make things a lot easier in the friend department.

I did my video game post, which went off well, and I do plan to branch out, I just wanted to make sure I answered most of the questions presented to me when I create threads. I think it's important to finish what you start, so if I know no one is talking to me, then I go to another thread or start something else.

[bozo]

"The rejection of Christ is often not so much of the mind but of the will, not so much "I can't" but "I won't." - Josh McDowell, Evidence for Christianity

What's your gut reaction to this?

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I'll be back to check, I'm going to watch my show.

My gut reaction is what bollocks this man is talking!
Reason demands rejection of superstition.

[downbeatplumb]

Salty

If I read you correctly you seem to be asking that your beliefs be given some respect.

Well I'm sorry but I cant do that. I can respect you as a person but I have zero respect for your beliefs, (while maintaining your right to have them).

But dont feel picked, on I have an equal amount of disrespect for all religions organised or not.
Which has led to some lively debates in my house as my wife is a spiritualist (sigh).

[salty]

What answer would satisfy you?

There is none.

I know.

"Can you understand that once you have written off fairy tales and magic there is no going back?"

I understand what you mean, but I don't agree, I think anyone can go back, if they want to. I wouldn't go back to Catholicism, but I would go back to God.

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Salty

If I read you correctly you seem to be asking that your beliefs be given some respect.

Well I'm sorry but I cant do that. I can respect you as a person but I have zero respect for your beliefs, (while maintaining your right to have them).

But dont feel picked, on I have an equal amount of disrespect for all religions organised or not.
Which has led to some lively debates in my house as my wife is a spiritualist (sigh).

Thanks Down, I don't feel picked on when I get responses where people don't feel they need to defend themselves, because they understand that it's not my intention to attack.

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Yet, while knowing this, while seeing you plaster videos of acts I wouldn't do or thoughts I don't have, while you insult my intelligence again and again, pulling apart every piece of my responses, I'm still here, hoping to have a conversation with someone, a respectful one, is there anyone that is interested in doing that? Rhythm, should I just leave?

I can only speak for myself, but I've been quite gentle and I've held back many things I could of said. You really think any thing that has been posted in this thread is insulting? You really have seen nothing.

Thanks for holding back. What made you decide to do that?

[Ace Otana]

Thanks for holding back. What made you decide to do that?

Because everyone deserves a chance. Not everyone deserves to be attacked apone entry.

[thesummerqueen]

And because he's a sweetheart.

[Ace Otana]

And because he's a sweetheart.

[The Grand Nudger]

:Keeps glaring from the back of the crowd sickle in hand:

Seriously guys what good is being friends with a witch if you can't get a hex here and there?

[thesummerqueen]

"Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the caldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and owlet's wing,—
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble!"

[Minimalist]

I wouldn't go back to Catholicism, but I would go back to God.

It is all the same shit.