Big Bang theory is not valid.

[Citereh]

Completely off-topic, but I just thought I'd mention that I currently work right next to the Cavendish Laboratory, and the entire road is now named after J J Thomson.

LOL how uncanny that the specific example I gave happened to have taken place across from where you work.

Pretty cool to be fair!

Kind Regard,

Citereh

[The Grand Nudger]

To recap.

Conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy!

I am still unwilling to offer alternatives, and I would like to stick with what we don't know, like dark energy....and ignore what we do know. I believe that if I refuse to allow my opponents to offer the solid evidence for the BB Theory I can demolish it by appealing to the unknown.

That about sums it up yeah?

I'm just gonna go ahead and link this for you. Maybe it will sink in.
http://angryastronomer.blogspot.com/2006...tions.html

(If you have groundbreaking new information that will radically alter our understanding of the origins of the cosmos, don't waste your precious time here. Go claim your Nobel Prize. I do honestly admire your skepticism with regards to the BB Theory. We always need people to question the established models. That being said, you could put that tendency to better use by ditching the conspiracy shit and doing some actual research. If you're approached by mainstream science, check in hand, tell us about it then.)

[Diamond-Deist]

Dark Matter / Energy

What is it? well to explain the predictions of the BB gravity among other phenomena was traditionally used, explain what? well practically everything, the collision of the alpha particles (old model) to the BB expansion, why is expansion important? because it is the speed of this expansion which is what scientists measure for pretty much every thing.
Age of the universe, speed of said expansion, distance between galaxies, the behaviour of moving galaxies practically everything is touched by this notion of expansion including that the reversal of expansion is folding of the matter back to that singe point of the BB, like blowing up a balloon.

Now why do I have a problem with this notion? well as it's such an underpinning part of the BB you would think they could get this part right?
Initially plain old gravity was used to measure this expansion for it's post BB predictions however they discovered that traditional gravity was out by 5x the power of gravity, basically there were phenomena which they simply could not explain using traditional calculations.

So after many observations and modifications the idea of a dark matter raised it's head, dark matter would be the smallest known matter in the universe which is calculated to be 23% Dark Matter, 73% Dark Energy, 4% Normal or known matter ..... so there's a lot of it.

Now why the great need for dark matter? simply put they felt there needs to be a thickening of space to provide the right traction of gravity to explain there gravitational calculations, it would be the universes equivalent of air or atmosphere so to give a layman example you can get your head around.

Just because Gravity has been wrongly calculated by 5x the amount needed they feel there must be dark matter.

Without this dark matter their equations and predictions do not add up their are monumental problems with the BB theory if they cannot prove this phenomena.

So what has happened with this issue ....

Dark matter has become the God of the science world, simply when they don't understand something or cannot explain a phenomena they insert dark matter like religious people insert God.
The beauty of dark matter is that it is an adjustable theory which can fill all the gaps in the BB equations, it's adjustable because it isn't there!!

That galaxy is moving to slow “oh it must be dark matter” oh the lensing of that colliding galaxy is to bent or warped “oh it must be dark matter”, dark matter/energy has become the God element of science, they insist on observations made millions of light years away when really something that is as abundant as dark energy/matter makes up as much as 95% of matter in the universe, it is everywhere, it is here, it is all around like oxygen on earth, yet we can’t see it and believe me they have looked, 20 years worth of observations and nothing, with today’s technology that’s like 100 years of observation as technology is constantly being refined.

Now why can’t our great scientists find this elusive matter, they can tell you how the universe began but can’t show you something which is in fact everywhere, here and now ……. Why, because they made it up.

This is not a joke, they simply made it up, they saw something they could not understand and labeled it simply to fill a gap in their equation, then after making it up they went searching for it, even though it’s the most abundant piece of matter in the universe they still can’t find it …… anyone call for a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow?

Now my pro BB friends prove me wrong .... I hand the floor over to you.

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To recap.

Conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy!

I am still unwilling to offer alternatives, and I would like to stick with what we don't know, like dark energy....and ignore what we do know. I believe that if I refuse to allow my opponents to offer the solid evidence for the BB Theory I can demolish it by appealing to the unknown.

That about sums it up yeah?

I'm just gonna go ahead and link this for you. Maybe it will sink in.
http://angryastronomer.blogspot.com/2006...tions.html

You have summed up nothing, you keep posting links which are worth what I have my own links, I have given you a rebuttal on dark matter if you are going to take part then do so if not sh*t the fk up.

You didn't even wait for me to give my initial issue with the BB, you do know how debates go right, I go you go I go you go.

Answer my questions and don't presume you know where this is heading we have only just started.

[The Grand Nudger]

If only this were a debate. You know this thread pops up all over the place and throughout many years right? Why on earth do you think I could respond to your Alton gambit so quickly? That shit is bookmarked.

Dark matter/dark energy is the name we have given what has not been observed. We do expect something to "fill the void" so to speak. Without offering an alternative we have no grounds for disagreement, do we.

THERE IS NO "GOD OF SCIENCE". I know I know, it makes your point, oh well. Conspiracy conspiracy (appeal to the unknown) conspiracy!

(let's just see the math and skip all of this yeah?)

[Diamond-Deist]

I'll be honest you insisting I'm going down a conspiracy path is quite annoying, I have things to show which will come out in due course.

But the main issue stands I was berated for not accepting the status quo, do you think it not right that if I put forward doubts backed with facts or as close as can be you that you should be able to prove me wrong?

If your not capable I will wait for those more able .... or is this not as much fun now I've come prepared??

[Napoléon]

It is said that the electron was discovered in 1897 by British physicist J. J. Thomson at the Cavendish Laboratory at Cambridge University.

Completely off-topic, but I just thought I'd mention that I currently work right next to the Cavendish Laboratory, and the entire road is now named after J J Thomson.

Hey this is your first warning. Anymore attempts to derail threads and you're outa here.

[The Grand Nudger]

Shorten the course and stop citing conspiracy. I'll be more amenable. Cite some facts, show some math, offer an alternative. Else-wise it's just pissing and moaning.

[Napoléon]

If the big bang theory is wrong then is the OP going to give us some alternative as to why the universe is expanding. I haven't read the whole thread (I'm lazy) but I was just wondering if he had some other theory that could fit.

[The Grand Nudger]

Goddidit.

[Napoléon]

Goddidit.

Shit that's just the most logically flawless argument I've ever heard. How could we possibly come up with any other theory than that?