republibertarianazi Bachman on Earthquakes and Hurricanes

[reverendjeremiah]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/na...ry/1188559



Teaparty* sweetheart Michele Bachmann spoke to her fellow Republicans, Libertarians, Evangelicals, and other misc. fascist types:

She (Bachmann) hailed the tea party as being common-sense Americans who understand government shouldn't spend more than it takes in, know they're taxed enough already and want government to abide by the Constitution

"I don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians. We've had an earthquake; we've had a hurricane. He said, 'Are you going to start listening to me here?' Listen to the American people because the American people are roaring right now. They know government is on a morbid obesity diet and we've got to rein in the spending."

*Ron Paul, a well known and famous Libertarian, has been termed the "intellectual godfather" of the Tea Party movement.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul)

[bozo]

From a UK Perspective, this reminds me of aspiring politician Margaret Thatcher, who preached about living within one's means and when elected as Prime Minister set about ruthlessly destroying the aspirations of ordinary Britons. America beware!

[Autumnlicious]

We are way beyond simple 'beware' and well into 'stop fucking flirting with fascism' territory.

That said, I am becoming tired of this constant Nazi charade.

Your thread could've been something more like "Bachmann blames opposition for God's mistakes" or something. The only purpose of using "Republicolibertarianazi", from what I see, is to seed the environment with as much of your discontent at this vile woman and her politics as possible and this is becoming toxic.

Please, enough of this.

I prefer a more placid AtheistForums than one running around with it's bloody head about to fall off, screeching metric shit tons of Godwins because some powerful country has decided that opinion matters more than facts.

[reverendjeremiah]

Your thread could've been something more like "Bachmann blames opposition for God's mistakes" or something. The only purpose of using "Republicolibertarianazi", from what I see, is to seed the environment with as much of your discontent at this vile woman and her politics as possible and this is becoming toxic.

Are you suggesting that she is NOT Fascist in many ways?

until now, only 2 people have compained about it. You, obviously agreeing with manythings I have posted, are trying to find a happy playing field.

I can appreciate this.

..sometimes a fascist type needs to be pointed out by saying "Hey..look at this fascist type."

I prefer a more placid AtheistForums than one running around with it's bloody head about to fall off, screeching metric shit tons of Godwins because some powerful country has decided that opinion matters more than facts.

This said from someone who has: "Break their spirits!" as his religious views?!?!?

Besides, I have been posting like this pretty much since day one... it isnt something new. And Im not the only one that does it. Void is just stamping his feet right now. In the end, me and Void will kiss (NO TONGUE THIS TIME GODDAMNIT!!!) and make up. I will wax poetic about my guilty love affair with Anarchy (albeit the socialistic type) and we will find common ground again.

I've been told that I "hate freedom" and might be the "S" word (socialist) by the resident libertarian types as well. I dont stamp my feet. I laugh and/or get busy with it.

I love this forum..and if Adrian gets the charity drive going again, my next donation will be much heftier, as I have definitely fallin in love with you sons of bitches!



..now get off my grass you ass hats!!!

[Minimalist]

The only purpose of using "Republicolibertarianazi", from what I see, is to seed the environment with as much of your discontent at this vile woman and her politics as possible and this is becoming toxic.

I disagree Moros.

Just the other day, as an example, a bunch of Tea Bagging shitheads objected because a black congressman used some reference to lynching in relation to the aforementioned Tea Baggers. They screeched like scorched cats because the problem is not that they do not act like racist Nazi fuckwits....it is that they do not want to be CALLED racist Nazi fuckwits.

It may hurt their fucking feelings or something....while they are being racist Nazi fuckwits.

Let them change their behavior and then I'll change my opinion of them.

[theVOID]

Are you suggesting that she is NOT Fascist in many ways?

In many ways? Sure, especially with her Indoctrination and "Family values", but in total she's barely more of a fascist than half the people Obama has appointed to offices of power, like Bernanke with his secret multi-billion dollar loans to massive financial institutions or Janet Napolitano with her famous "If you see something, say something" authoritarian crackdown and the rampant TSA. Hell, even Obama ticks many of these "Fascist" boxes, a prime example being his approval of the imprisonment without trial of Bradley Manning, mandating people do business with private entities, his nation building and his usurping of power - And then there is Hillary "Lucifer" Clinton with her ratification of the cybercrimes convention that makes on-line racism and xenophobia a punishable offence.

They all check a few of the "fascist" tick boxes, but as a whole, none of them are. To be a fascist means more than being similar to a few of the positions, as the Italian Fascists of the 1920's described it themselves;

"Fascism is anti-anarchist, anti-communist, anti-conservative, anti-democratic, anti-individualist, anti-liberal, anti-parliamentary, anti-bourgeois and anti-proletarian It entails a distinctive type of anti-capitalism and is typically, with a few exceptions, anti-clerical. It rejects egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favour of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit and will."

Seeing as the likes of Bachman are "conservative, democratic and capitalist" while Obama is "liberal, democratic and egalitarian" or Ron Paul is "conservative, individualist, democratic and capitalist" they all immediately fail any distinctive definition of Fascism. As far as being "Anti-communist, anti-liberal, disciplinary, anti-rationalism and hierarchical" Bachman meet some criteria while Obama being "Anti-individualist, hierarchical, pro-military, disciplinary, anti-anarchist" also checks some of the boxes but neither of them fulfil the complete description of fascism.

And in terms of economics, Obama is more "fascist" than either Bachman or Paul;

Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity. They support a regulated, multi-class, integrated national economic system.

until now, only 2 people have compained about it. You, obviously agreeing with manythings I have posted, are trying to find a happy playing field.

Because it's turned into little more than flamebaiting, that's why he's got a problem with it.

And honestly, as much of a small-minded self-righteous douchebag as Bachman is, she's still barely comparable to the likes of Hitler, the comparison is intellectually dishonest - There are plenty of reasons to dislike Bachman and plenty of ways to expose her bullshit and hypocrisy without resorting to being a little Godwin.

In the end, me and Void will kiss (NO TONGUE THIS TIME GODDAMNIT!!!) and make up. I will wax poetic about my guilty love affair with Anarchy (albeit the socialistic type) and we will find common ground again.

As long as you keep insinuating my ideals of a free and voluntary society make me comparable to someone like Hitler (which is both factually absurd and personally offensive) you'll see no such reconciliation.

I've been told that I "hate freedom"

Go find a single post where one of the "resident libertarians" has said that!

and might be the "S" word (socialist) by the resident libertarian types as well. I dont stamp my feet. I laugh and/or get busy with it.

Not in my definition of "Socialism", but even if that were the case, being called a "socialist" isn't something that seeks to associate the person with a mass murdering xenophobic tyrant unlike if I was to call you a "Stalinist" in the same way you call me a "Nazi", they're terms in completely different leagues.

[Minimalist]

Of course, I must point out yet again Void that you don't live here so you don't really know what is going on.

Perhaps in New Zealand there is a Libertarian party which has not sold out to the extreme right? I do not know. If there is, how many seats does it have in parliament?

Over here, with a two party system there is only one way for a minority party to make a dent and that is to take over one of the existing parties. The Libertarians, and they are as entitled to use the name as you, over here have thrown in with the republicans and the xtian right.

I appreciate that you don't like being lumped in with them but Rev and I did not do the lumping. The republicans and jesus freaks gladly took the Koch Brothers cash.

The fuckers deserve each other.

[theVOID]

Of course, I must point out yet again Void that you don't live here so you don't really know what is going on.

Specifically which one of the claims do you dispute? Just saying "You don't live here" doesn't achieve anything. Not only that but you have absolutely no problems commenting on the apparent attitudes of the majority of Muslims in the middle east as evinced in previous discussions, but seeing as you don't live there we should just ignore you or any opinions you might have, or any data you can find, and just turn to someone who lives there for the "Truth".

Do you deny that Obama and his buddies fits just as many of the specifically defined (albeit a different selection) 'points' of Fascism as Bachman?

Do you deny that Ron Paul meets less of them than Obama?

And do you deny that any one person meeting some of the criteria for Fascism does not make them a Fascist and that subsequently your labelling people Fascists is absurd?

Perhaps in New Zealand there is a Libertarian party which has not sold out to the extreme right? I do not know. If there is, how many seats does it have in parliament?

The ACT part is fairly close to one, perhaps 70% of their policies are compatible, on the Nolan chart they'd be high on economic and personal freedoms. "Extreme right" isn't a useful term, you likely mean by it both fiscal and social conservatism, where as ACT are fiscally conservative and socially very liberal.

Over here, with a two party system there is only one way for a minority party to make a dent and that is to take over one of the existing parties. The Libertarians, and they are as entitled to use the name as you, over here have thrown in with the republicans and the xtian right.

Correcting for your useless generalisations; Some of them have, and it's liberalised the Republican party - You can thank the libertarian leaning folk in the GOP for the Republicans who legalised gay marriage in New York.

I appreciate that you don't like being lumped in with them but Rev and I did not do the lumping.

We both know it'd do you no trouble to specifically talk about people in terms of their specific ideologies, you haven't bothered.

The republicans and jesus freaks gladly took the Koch Brothers cash. The fuckers deserve each other.

And Obama gladly took donations from financial moguls, receiving 3 times as much from bankers/investors than McCain according to Politifact - It's be hard to argue that the Cocks have done more harm than the financiers, add to that the bucket loads of taxpayer funds Obama gave them like Mummy kissing their boo-boo's after they fucked up.

I guess they "Deserve each other" too.

[reverendjeremiah]

In many ways? Sure, especially with her Indoctrination and "Family values", but in total she's barely more of a fascist than half the people Obama has appointed to offices of power, like Bernanke with his secret multi-billion dollar loans to massive financial institutions or Janet Napolitano with her famous "If you see something, say something" authoritarian crackdown and the rampant TSA. Hell, even Obama ticks many of these "Fascist" boxes, a prime example being his approval of the imprisonment without trial of Bradley Manning, mandating people do business with private entities, his nation building and his usurping of power - And then there is Hillary "Lucifer" Clinton with her ratification of the cybercrimes convention that makes on-line racism and xenophobia a punishable offence.

oh PLEASE dont get me started on how fucked up Obama is..I can write a book on how pissed off I am about Obama..and I actually went door to door to help get him elected. The bastard is pushing far into fascist territory if you ask me. Then again, seemse like every single politician in America does that.

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http://www.americanfascistmovement.com/news.html

The American Fascist movement asks its followers to read about Ron Paul:

Therefore, it is imperative for all Americans, from every facet of life, to educate themselves on Ron Paul's platform. The AFM urges that you read his books--especially "End the Fed." While democracy is a facade, this may be a critical moment for fascists, nationalists, and populists alike to use the democratic tool of exercizing your right to vote. Ron Paul is the one man that's capable to bring about progressive 'change' via democratic means but without the expense of American integrity or prosperity

WOW..that kind of goes in the face of what you call Libertarianism. Apparently The American Fascist movement considers Ron Paul to be "teaching material".