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Looking for an intelligent, rational discussion re atheism
September 3, 2011 at 8:47 pm
I just signed up and am looking to have a serious discussion re atheism. I'm not an atheist, but I'm not a fundie, either and am not looking for the usual foodfight stuff. My position is an odd one. I can see the exit from here, if you will, and all things considered, I'd be happy if materialistic atheism were true, but I just can't make sense of it on many levels, as it seems as faith-based as anything else.
I would like discuss it from the ground up, meaning no assumptions about where I am coming from or assuming where I'm going. I will also not assume. I'm not interested in dogma on either side, but there are questions I can't seem to get answered.
In a weird way, this is akin to a deathbed de-conversion opportunity, so if anyone wants to engage in an intelligent fasion, I'd love that.
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RE: Looking for an intelligent, rational discussion re atheism
September 3, 2011 at 8:50 pm
If you bring intelligence and rationale to the table, you'll find that many will show you the same in kind.
Welcome, don't run away at the first sign of dissent. Dissent just makes things more interesting around here.
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RE: Looking for an intelligent, rational discussion re atheism
September 3, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Heh. You say that now. I'm fine with dissent and expect it. I just often find that the favor isn't returned.
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RE: Looking for an intelligent, rational discussion re atheism
September 3, 2011 at 8:55 pm
I see no evidence for any of the gods which have been invented by human imagination from the beginning of time.
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RE: Looking for an intelligent, rational discussion re atheism
September 3, 2011 at 8:55 pm
One question right off the bat. How is materialism faith based?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Looking for an intelligent, rational discussion re atheism
September 3, 2011 at 8:59 pm
I don't know how this board works, so is there a way to put this discussion in a place that folks will see it. The more the merrier.
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RE: Looking for an intelligent, rational discussion re atheism
September 3, 2011 at 9:00 pm
You only have one question: What proof is there for any god or gods?
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RE: Looking for an intelligent, rational discussion re atheism
September 3, 2011 at 9:02 pm
Start another thread in the atheism sub-forum.
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RE: Looking for an intelligent, rational discussion re atheism
September 3, 2011 at 9:02 pm
(September 3, 2011 at 8:59 pm)Fred Wrote: I don't know how this board works, so is there a way to put this discussion in a place that folks will see it. The more the merrier. I think you just have to post in here. Dont worry people will see, I have a feeling this could end up in multiple pages
If I die and god is real, im so screwed.
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RE: Looking for an intelligent, rational discussion re atheism
September 3, 2011 at 9:03 pm
(September 3, 2011 at 8:55 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: One question right off the bat. How is materialism faith based?
Ah, good start. So there's no misunderstanding and getting lost in the definition thickets, would you please define materialism in concise terms, as you see it. I want to discuss where you are coming from, not where I assume you are coming from.
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