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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 9, 2011 at 1:57 pm
(October 9, 2011 at 12:16 pm)frankiej Wrote: OK, so they saw some lights and and giant dildo shaped things in the sky?
You can see why people are sceptical of their testimonies... Just because they hold a position of authority does not mean that you should question them.
I do see why people are sceptical. If what these trained observers are saying is true ie unidentified aircraft flying over nuclear facilities and affecting the nuclear warheads, then this is BIG. It is probably too big for some people to even consider. If these guys are lying or deluded, then God help us if our security is in the hands of people like that.
For anyone interested, here is a link to Leslie Kean - an independent investigative journalist. She's written a book, the result of a 10 year investigation into ufos:
http://ufosontherecord.com/
I listened to an interview she did on Coast to Coast about her book and she sounds like she's researched her stuff very carefully. I'll be ordering her book. Can't wait....... 
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 9, 2011 at 2:00 pm
I already thought that our security is in the hands of lying deceitful people... But, I don't let shit like that bother me, ain't nothin' but a thang 
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 9, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Quote:Are you proposing that ALL these guys are lying or deluded?
Why not simply mistaken?
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 9, 2011 at 2:42 pm
(October 9, 2011 at 11:41 am)CoxRox Wrote: (October 8, 2011 at 6:40 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: We have a problem here. I don't believe those testimonies.
I'd say we have a big problem if the testimonies of people in the highest level of trust, people highly trained to guard and regulate nuclear weapons and thus safeguard countries and ultimately the planet, can't be trusted to relate an event that occurred. The airforce personnel who gave their testimonies at the Washington press conference 27th Sep 2010 are:
Dwynne Arneson, USAF Lt.Col. Ret., communications center officer-in-charge
Bruce Fenstermacher, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
Charles Halt, USAF Col. Ret., former deputy base commander
Robert Jamison, former USAF nuclear missile targeting officer
Patrick McDonough, former USAF nuclear missile site geodetic surveyor
Jerome Nelson, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
Robert Salas, former USAF nuclear missile launch officer
Are you proposing that ALL these guys are lying or deluded? These are just a few of over 100 military veterans that have come forward with similar experiences. I believe they saw SOMETHING. That SOMETHING threatened the safety of nuclear facilities, so that very fact alone should set alarm bells ringing. I never said they were lying or deluded, I said I don't believe them. I really don't care how they came to believe those things. I've been reading UFO reports since 1964 and I haven't read a believable one yet.
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 9, 2011 at 6:28 pm
(This post was last modified: October 9, 2011 at 6:34 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
No ones a "trained observer" when it comes to UFO's Cox. That's what makes them UFOs. You're appealing to an authority that doesn't exist. "I don't know what that was" does not default to aliens. If even one of these guys held up a credible alien doohicky I'd be floored. They never do, do they?
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 9, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Ever see this bullshit "Ghost Hunters International" stuff? They never seem to get any actual evidence....just like the jesus freaks...but they are big on sound anomalies.
So they set up a microphone in a 13th century Polish torture chamber and then listen to the recordings. Sooner or later one of them goes "LISTEN TO THIS!"
They then play a completely meaningless sound but one of them will say:
"Sounds like he's saying 'Go Fuck Yourself.'" Which is of course what I would expect a 13th century Polish ghost to say in plain English!
They then play it five more times but now all you can hear is "Go Fuck Yourself" because of the power of suggestion.
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 10, 2011 at 7:49 am
(October 9, 2011 at 11:41 am)CoxRox Wrote: Are you proposing that ALL these guys are lying or deluded? These are just a few of over 100 military veterans that have come forward with similar experiences. I believe they saw SOMETHING. That SOMETHING threatened the safety of nuclear facilities, so that very fact alone should set alarm bells ringing.
Threatened how? What did these UFOs do, train ray guns on them? These are UNIDENTIFIED flying objects. If they have yet to be IDENTIFIED, how can a threat be determined.
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 10, 2011 at 8:02 am
No real coincidence that the god squad seem most likely to think that every space oddity must be a UFO.
Biggest point about UFOs is the fact that, if you don't know what it is, all it is is a UFO. Doesn't mean the Martians have landed, merely that you didn't know what it was.
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 10, 2011 at 8:08 am
(October 10, 2011 at 8:02 am)Epimethean Wrote: No real coincidence that the god squad seem most likely to think that every space oddity must be a UFO. Skeptic Magazine did a correlation study on this a month or so ago. The numbers support your point.
Quote:Biggest point about UFOs is the fact that, if you don't know what it is, all it is is a UFO. Doesn't mean the Martians have landed, merely that you didn't know what it was.
Yep, and the conceptual leap to "alien space craft" is the key to the problem.
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RE: Are UFO's and extraterrestrials real?
October 11, 2011 at 9:44 am
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(October 9, 2011 at 6:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No ones a "trained observer" when it comes to UFO's Cox. That's what makes them UFOs. You're appealing to an authority that doesn't exist. "I don't know what that was" does not default to aliens. If even one of these guys held up a credible alien doohicky I'd be floored. They never do, do they?
(stop listening to coast to coast, I can't even imagine a more fruity radio program)
I'd don't listen to Coast to Coast. It just happens that, the interview was hosted by them.
I mentioned 'trained observer' not in relation to ufos but in the roles that the nuclear personnel had to carry out e.g attention to detail, alert, eagle eyed in all their tasks etc.
I would like to challenge you to give this a little bit more of your time as I value your opinion. I've just watched a documentary aired just a few months ago on the History channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX5yoqBAeWc
Just watch the first one and if it doesn't appeal then fair enough. This documentary includes 'recent' events in America that some of you guys might have heard of, as well as 'proofs' that are credible as far as the military and governments are concerned. It's a truly amazing collection of military/aviation testimonies. If the proof in this documentary doesn't rouse your interest, then nothing other than a captured craft, will.
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