Life after death.

[Stucky]

Nor was I trying to sound high and mighty - I gave you a blurb of some history and you went and ran with it, as if the history of what a people believed changes what they believe now.

And I explained to you that they believe the same now as they did in Abraham's time. Pay attention please.

[thesummerqueen]

Do they?

Last I checked, most Jews weren't stoning people. At least American ones.

[Stucky]

Oh, I should ask - are you trying to argue specifically whether Jews had a concept of an afterlife at all? Or exactly what it was?

Because I know better than to argue minutiae with YECs without defined goalposts.

YOU are the one arguing, I just responded to your post with the truth.

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I don't see a point to think about life after death... If your "soul" ends up living on then hooray for us, but you should never let it influence any of your decisions in life. You may well be wasting the only life you will ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever have.

Have you ever considered what if? What if YOU are wrong and the Christians are right? Would you care then? If not, then that's fine cuz you can suffer the consequences.

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PS - spell check hated golem, but like gollum. wtf.

I dont grade for spelling, I knew what you meant.

[thesummerqueen]

Last I checked, the belief influences I was mentioning happened before the BC-AD change over, and the Torah wasn't widely passed around in a written format till much later than that. Plenty of time for things to get "adjusted".

[ElDinero]

Spell check: Loves Lord Of The Rings, hates Pokémon.

[thesummerqueen]

I'm completely okay with that, too, btw.

[Stucky]

I guess he went to bed or something. I'll be back after I get the checks straightened out, go to class and the gym. If he still hasn't answered which he'd prefer, I guess we'll have to do both, which means unless he prefers to do the looking himself I'll have to lay out what all the different sects of Judaism believe as far as the messiah and afterlife, because you see despite all of us having a propensity for curly hair and a habit for bitching about the quality of the food, we don't all believe the same things.

Sort of like Christians.

Actually, there was a pretty interesting article in Evolutionblog, I think (could be wrong) about how half the people id'd as Jews now are actually atheists? It only took a few thousand years, but I guess we're all seeing the bullshit.

Stucky, here's a quick run down of what I was told as a conservatively raised Jew (who later went to a reform temple): When you die, people move on. When the messiah comes back, he takes you up to god. There's a lot of waffling about what happens up there, and not a lot of coherent answers. To help the messiah find you, some people put a bit of dirt from the Mount of Olives in their caskets, which is funny because most traditional jews don't get embalmed so I guess the messiah gives you a whole new body. Or you end up looking like the golem in X-files.

Life is about living. Most modern Jews, from what I gathered, believe God put you on this earth for a reason, and life is the object of existence, not death. I said they don't have much of an afterlife, because even now they don't - certainly not in comparison to christianity, which seems to care only about death. I swear I saw an explanation of this somewhere, but I can't find it right now and probably have it on my home comp. Either way, if I were you, I'd not look at Jewish sites when it comes to the *history* of their beliefs. Jews are pretty notorious for bullshit. Same as Christians, we're just savvier at it.

I'm not going to argue with what you were taught sweetie. You shoould know that much better than me.

BTW, I cant stay on here without doing anything else, I too have a life apart from Atheist Forums.

I'm also aware of the differences in beliefs in Judaism, Chroistianity, Islam, Hunduism, Buddhism, etc. etc. ad nausium. I was just pointing out what a Jewish website said about Jewish beliefs in after-life since the time of Abraham until now. I can't ask every single Jew in the world.

About life vs. death and Christianity, we believe that nyour life here on earth is important. You are to live your life as close to Jesus as possible, which it isnt cuz we fall far short of that goal. For TRUE Christians, life is all about love. Then when you die, your eternal existence is based on one thing, whether or not you accepted Jesus death as substitutionary payment for your sins. After that, how you lived your life is repaid by benefits, not punishments.

You can talk as cute as you like, but I can only read Jewish websites for information about Judaism or ask my Jewish friends.

[The Grand Nudger]

Consider my imaginary debt unpaid to the imaginary collector ad infinitum. How hard do you fellas think it would be to get an injuction on said entity, keep him from calling constantly about a service I never ordered?

That you would scapegoat someone to absolve yourself of whatever you feel you have done is hideous. More of that "convergence of faiths" issue going on right there.

[thesummerqueen]

I was just pointing out what a Jewish website said about Jewish beliefs in after-life since the time of Abraham until now. I can't ask every single Jew in the world.

I prefer objectivity as to the development of a particular group's beliefs.

[Stucky]

I was just pointing out what a Jewish website said about Jewish beliefs in after-life since the time of Abraham until now. I can't ask every single Jew in the world.

I prefer objectivity as to the development of a particular group's beliefs.

So, give me something objective queeny. You made statements but offered no substantive proof. Isnt this a two way street?