'Seeking' God

[Shell B]

Given the time span of each of those belief systems and/or the time during which they were "popular," you could probably change most of those "thousands" to at least millions, El Chupacabra.

[lucent]

[Shell B]

It isn't that hard to be sincere. Admit that you could be wrong, and humble yourself

You first.

[lucent]

I think it is arrogant of Christians to write off the spiritual experiences of thousands of Greeks as delusional.
I think it is arrogant of Muslims to write off the spiritual experiences of thousands of Hindus as delusional.
I think it is arrogant of Jews to write off the spiritual experiences of thousands of Scientologists as delusional.
I think it is arrogant of Vikings to write off the spiritual experiences of thousands of Sikhs as delusional.

I don't write them off, I just know they are/were deceived. There is a difference between believing something because you're off kilter, and believing something because you were deliberately deceived. I have no doubt they all had very convincing spiritual experiences and interactions with actual spirits. The problem is, those spirits are demons.

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Yes, lucent, someone is right and someone is wrong. You assert that you are right. You assert that we atheists are wrong. You get pissy when we assert, but see nothing wrong with asserting your beliefs with wall after wall of text. Is it arrogant to think that billions of people are deluded? Fuck no, it isn't. Billions of people have been wrong before, genius.

I don't care what claims atheists make. Someone saying "there is no God" doesn't offend me. Someone saying "there is no god, you are a **** *** *** *** **** ****" doesn't even offend me. I just think having such a gigantic attitude problem about theists when you invite them to debate on your forum is pretty ridiculous.

Billions of people have been wrong and right. It's arrogant to just assume they are with no real proof.

[Cyberman]

Let's just accept for a moment that the Big Bang does violate the laws of Thermodynamics. Let's set aside for the moment that, according to the Big Bang model, all laws of physics break down at the moment of singularity (if there ever was one). Ok, clean slate. The Universe exists. You believe that it was brought into being by a creator god. You have the floor: please explain how this god managed to do this without violating the laws of Thermodynamics that you're complaining about.

[lucent]

It isn't that hard to be sincere. Admit that you could be wrong, and humble yourself

You first.

I have been wrong, I used to be an agnostic remember? Yes, I am fallable. This is what paul says:

1 Corinthians 15:17-19

And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.

[ElDinero]

I don't write them off, I just know they are/were deceived. There is a difference between believing something because you're off kilter, and believing something because you were deliberately deceived. I have no doubt they all had very convincing spiritual experiences and interactions with actual spirits. The problem is, those spirits are demons.

Ahahhahahahaha. Get fucked. Talk about arrogance.
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. READ IT EVERYONE. They're DEMONS.

Holy shit you're a moron. I can't believe you can actually read what you post and not laugh your balls off at how stupid you are. I didn't think people got made this idiotic before.

You my friend are a special kind of stupid. Don't have children.

[lucent]

Let's just accept for a moment that the Big Bang does violate the laws of Thermodynamics. Let's set aside for the moment that, according to the Big Bang model, all laws of physics break down at the moment of singularity (if there ever was one). Ok, clean slate. The Universe exists. You believe that it was brought into being by a creator god. You have the floor: please explain how this god managed to do this without violating the laws of Thermodynamics that you're complaining about.

I don't believe God violates the 2nd law because there was no chance for entropy to build up. It started out at the maximal state of order and complexity before any disorder came into the picture..i'll have to think about the 1st law..there is also the question about pre fall conditions vs post fall conditions..ill get back to you :p

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I don't write them off, I just know they are/were deceived. There is a difference between believing something because you're off kilter, and believing something because you were deliberately deceived. I have no doubt they all had very convincing spiritual experiences and interactions with actual spirits. The problem is, those spirits are demons.

Ahahhahahahaha. Get fucked. Talk about arrogance.
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. READ IT EVERYONE. They're DEMONS.

Holy shit you're a moron. I can't believe you can actually read what you post and not laugh your balls off at how stupid you are. I didn't think people got made this idiotic before.

You my friend are a special kind of stupid. Don't have children.

I just know this scripture is true:

Revelation 12:9

And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

also:

1 Corinthians 10:19,20:

"What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils."

And I know demon possession is real..I have seen it first hand.

[Cyberman]

[Shell B]

Oh my fucking god. You are literally batshit nuts, aren't you? You think that people who believe other than you talk to demons? You have "seen" demonic possession? I ask you this, have you ever seen photos of an abused, tortured and dead child who died at the hands of an exorcist? Have you ever actually seen a demon kill someone? Have you heard of it outside of unverifiable claims? I have heard of more people being killed by exorcists than demons. Your blanket judgment of all those people reveals who you are. Your bullshit claims to have borne witness to demonic possession make me hope that you do not have children, especially any with mental illness.

Oh, and I don't give a fuck what you think about people's attitude problems. We're not here to hold your hand. You are free to discuss within the confines of the rules. If you don't like it, go circle jerk on a Christian forum. I happen to like many Christians. There are very few that I outright dislike and none of them do I dislike because they are Christian. In every case, it is because they are judgmental, hypocritical, holier-than-thou pricks.