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Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
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RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 3, 2014 at 7:35 pm
(November 26, 2014 at 4:46 pm)abaris Wrote:
(November 26, 2014 at 4:44 pm)Beccs Wrote: Well, the angel who supposedly talked to Joe Smith was named Moroni . . .

Yes, I know, only a little moron, going by his name. Smith wasn't even worthy to be visited by a full blown idiot.

That would have made two in the room.
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RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 3, 2014 at 7:36 pm
(November 26, 2014 at 2:58 pm)robvalue Wrote: Geez. Just sickening.

Everyone who supports the bible as a moral code though can't have much of an issue with rape. If you rape an unmarried woman, your "punishment" is to pay the father some coins, then the woman has to marry you. I'm sure there are plenty of other messed up rules about rape in the bible too.

Consider the fact of property. Someone sets a fire on your land... you'll be wanting them to be paying you the full price you would have sold the land for, would you not?

Women were property. It isn't right to vandalize... got to get something out of it, right?

Quote:Oh wait, context? Different culture? Jesus came to remove the OT? Don't actually care what the bible says?

Context. Culture. Do you actually care about the timeframe in which 'the bible' was written?
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#93
RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 8, 2014 at 12:27 pm
(November 26, 2014 at 2:58 pm)robvalue Wrote: Geez. Just sickening.

Everyone who supports the bible as a moral code though can't have much of an issue with rape. If you rape an unmarried woman, your "punishment" is to pay the father some coins, then the woman has to marry you. I'm sure there are plenty of other messed up rules about rape in the bible too.

Oh wait, context? Different culture? Jesus came to remove the OT? Don't actually care what the bible says?
Speaking of not actually caring what the Bible says...

Actually, the man is required to pay the bride price. The woman is not required by the law to marry the man. That's up to her father. If the father thinks the man will make a good husband (note that while a few English translations say "rape," they could also be referring to cases of seduction), then the father permits the marriage, and the man is forbidden from divorcing her. If it's actually a case of rape, or the father doesn't like the man for any reason, he can refuse the marriage.
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RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 8, 2014 at 12:30 pm
The woman does not own her own body. Lovely.

Also, cases of seduction my aching ass.
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RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 8, 2014 at 12:34 pm
(December 8, 2014 at 12:30 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Also, cases of seduction my aching ass.
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RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 8, 2014 at 12:35 pm (This post was last modified: December 8, 2014 at 12:35 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
Just an observation, alphy.
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RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 8, 2014 at 12:43 pm
(December 8, 2014 at 12:35 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Just an observation, alphy.
Seems more like bias than observation. Observation would entail, well, observing the passages in question and examining them.
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RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 8, 2014 at 12:48 pm
Man, theists really are high on this "bias" kick lately. My "observation" is that the idea of a father having control over his daughter's body after being raped is utterly disgusting.
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RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 8, 2014 at 12:52 pm
(December 8, 2014 at 12:48 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Man, theists really are high on this "bias" kick lately. My "observation" is that the idea of a father having control over his daughter's body after being raped is utterly disgusting.

Have you ever read upon the phenomena called "psychological projection"? Big Grin
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RE: Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."
December 8, 2014 at 12:53 pm
(December 8, 2014 at 12:48 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Man, theists really are high on this "bias" kick lately. My "observation" is that the idea of a father having control over his daughter's body after being raped is utterly disgusting.
No, the observation under discussion was your implication that the texts cannot be interpreted as indicating seduction.
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