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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 12, 2015 at 3:58 pm
(October 12, 2015 at 2:34 pm)Deepthunk Wrote: (August 24, 2015 at 2:32 pm)abaris Wrote: Yup, I neither have time nor patience for ignorant arrogance. Either inform yourself on a matter or keep posting out of your ass. The product is as expected.
I feel compelled to point out even after all this time that you never made a single rational statement which disproved a word I said, in fact all you have done is refer to Christian revisionist historians and pretend they were right when their statements were non-factual.
considering that Christian priests and ministers like to name agnosticism side by side with atheism when they swear non-religious people are everything under the sun that's evil, I find myself wondering why anyone from one of the groups they condemn and openly hate would rush to defend their hate driven accusations.
There's a difference between defending asshole Christians and insisting that, when we counterattack them, we do so from a 100% factual and fair basis. It does us no good to stoop to their levels-- if you are angry that they misrepresent atheists, you should see why we are nitpicking what you say in return.
There are many, many reasons we should engage with and destroy the ideologies that religion espouses. There are just as many reasons to warn one another that the method by which we do so must be above reproach, lest we drift toward becoming that which we claim to loathe.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 12, 2015 at 7:17 pm
(October 12, 2015 at 2:44 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: (August 24, 2015 at 1:23 pm)Deepthunk Wrote: Furthermore not only was hitler raised in a catholic monastery that bore a symbol almost identical to a swastika over its entrance
This is factually incorrect.
no it isnt, this wikipedia entry was made by those who support the revisionist version, and it pisses me off like a motherfuckers that this propiganda bullshit is still spread.
the story that hitler was an atheist was invented originally by our government. the reason was that the nazi's had tremendous support in the american south going into world war two and the U.S. government spread the story that he was an atheist to undermine nazi sympathizing in the U.S, because it turned out that the only things southern bigot ministers hated more than minorities were atheists and pagans. getting those southern ministers to preach against the nazi's was crucial to the american war effort, and after the war christian authors took these statements that actually originated with american and British intelligence and ran with them. But hitler was raised in a Catholic monastery after he was orphaned, this was verified by a historian who is himself, a catholic.
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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 12, 2015 at 7:29 pm
(October 12, 2015 at 3:58 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: There's a difference between defending asshole Christians and insisting that, when we counterattack them, we do so from a 100% factual and fair basis. It does us no good to stoop to their levels-- if you are angry that they misrepresent atheists, you should see why we are nitpicking what you say in return.
I know my facts and this is whats pissing me off. christians have insisted hitler was an atheist for seventy years and its false! every single group of people hitler put into concentration camps , jewish people, and "homosexuals", and Jehovah's witnesses, and yes, atheists were all openly hated by the churches at the time. all those groups of people were tortured and it is a fact, a fact the churches keep trying to cover too this day and i'm sick of it.
you know the saying those who forget the past are doomed to relive it? well look at that list again, because there is only one of those groups of people the churches have decided to stop hating, they still openly preach hatred for every other one to this day, and letting them blame one of the groups of people they actually tourtured while they still spread hatred for that same group is not just a mistake, it is fundamentally, morally wrong, and it betrays the memory of every single homosexual or atheist hitler actually tortured.
I think the federal government should be sued by every single atheist and pagan in this country for having said it to begin with.
(October 12, 2015 at 3:58 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: There are many, many reasons we should engage with and destroy the ideologies that religion espouses. There are just as many reasons to warn one another that the method by which we do so must be above reproach, lest we drift toward becoming that which we claim to loathe.
Like hell, this is a massive issue of discrimination. I don't care what religious people believe in, I do care that they hate me for every thing that i am just because i'm here living and breathing. they hate me to no end. they swear their god is going to torture me and they swear that the torturer is the sum of all "goodness". they believe that it is good for me to suffer.
(October 12, 2015 at 3:58 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
I would ask you not to quote Nietzsche to me again.
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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 12, 2015 at 9:20 pm
(October 12, 2015 at 7:17 pm)Deepthunk Wrote: (October 12, 2015 at 2:44 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: This is factually incorrect.
no it isnt, this wikipedia entry was made by those who support the revisionist version, and it pisses me off like a motherfuckers that this propiganda bullshit is still spread.
the story that hitler was an atheist was invented originally by our government. the reason was that the nazi's had tremendous support in the american south going into world war two and the U.S. government spread the story that he was an atheist to undermine nazi sympathizing in the U.S, because it turned out that the only things southern bigot ministers hated more than minorities were atheists and pagans. getting those southern ministers to preach against the nazi's was crucial to the american war effort, and after the war christian authors took these statements that actually originated with american and British intelligence and ran with them. But hitler was raised in a Catholic monastery after he was orphaned, this was verified by a historian who is himself, a catholic.
You're wrong. Hitler never attended a Catholic monastery. I linked to the Wiki as it was easiest and generally correct.
As someone who has studied his life, I think you're dead wrong ... especially when you can't be bothered to support your iconoclastic view with anything but naked assertion.
Entirely unconvincing polemic. Revise and resubmit, this time with credible historic sources.
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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 13, 2015 at 12:18 am
No shit and the Hitler was a right winged extremist.
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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 13, 2015 at 12:44 pm
TheRocketSurgeon: "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Deepthunk: I would ask you not to quote Nietzsche to me again.
I'm sure I'll be sorry I asked, but what's your issue with having Nietzsche quoted to you?
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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 13, 2015 at 2:00 pm
(October 12, 2015 at 9:20 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: You're wrong. Hitler never attended a Catholic monastery. I linked to the Wiki as it was easiest and generally correct.
As someone who has studied his life, I think you're dead wrong ... especially when you can't be bothered to support your iconoclastic view with anything but naked assertion.
Entirely unconvincing polemic. Revise and resubmit, this time with credible historic sources.
here you go lying bigot Christian.
"The work that Christ started but could not finish, I — Adolf Hitler — will conclude."
— Adolf Hitler, December 1926. Here, here, and here are more of his quotes on religion, God, and Christianity. Here are Nazi photos showing their alliance with Christianity.
All of the webpages I linked too are established, well known atheist websites or supporters, and they present verifiable historical facts! Now why again is either an atheist or an agnostic arguing precisely the opposite when the opposite is the false propaganda presented by those who hate atheists and agnostics alike?
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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 13, 2015 at 2:02 pm
(October 13, 2015 at 12:44 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: TheRocketSurgeon: "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Deepthunk: I would ask you not to quote Nietzsche to me again.
I'm sure I'll be sorry I asked, but what's your issue with having Nietzsche quoted to you?
because that was hitler favorite philosopher, that's why he quoted him and that's why I found it offensive.
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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 13, 2015 at 2:03 pm
(October 13, 2015 at 2:02 pm)Deepthunk Wrote: (October 13, 2015 at 12:44 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: TheRocketSurgeon: "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Deepthunk: I would ask you not to quote Nietzsche to me again.
I'm sure I'll be sorry I asked, but what's your issue with having Nietzsche quoted to you?
because that was hitler favorite philosopher, that's why he quoted him and that's why I found it offensive.
guess why such a quote offends me, just take a wild guess.
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RE: Fact, every single german nazi was a christian
October 13, 2015 at 2:05 pm
Let me reiterate because I don't want this point to get lost in the fray.
"The work that Christ started but could not finish, I — Adolf Hitler — will conclude."
— Adolf Hitler, December 1926. Here, here, and here are more of his quotes on religion, God, and Christianity. Here are Nazi photos showing their alliance with Christianity.
All of the webpages I linked too are established, well known atheist websites or supporters, and they present verifiable historical facts! Now why again is either an atheist or an agnostic arguing precisely the opposite when the opposite is the false propaganda presented by those who hate atheists and agnostics alike?
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