Stalin was not always an atheist, before he took power he was a theologian. Hitler was his own brand of Catholic/ocult/pagan mix. The argument could be made he didn't believe in an old school Catholic god. But he went to his death with a sense of the divine. He never gave up on the concept of a higher power.

Deepthunk. If and when you're done insulting members and riding your high horse, you might look at what is said in this thread. You might even do something as exotic as reading books on the matter. Written by actual historians, who have done extended research. If your precious time allows, of course.

(August 13, 2015 at 12:16 am)smsavage32 Wrote: I think that the notion to point out Hitler's affiliation with Christianity is a reaction to the Christians claiming that he did what he did because he was an atheist.

Growing up in a Baptist church, I heard this quite often.

"Hitler murdered the Jews because he was Atheist."
"This is what Atheists do."
"Hitler's actions prove it."

Get's old.

That's not even the tip of the iceberg dude.

When I was a kid, my abusive and neglectful father would insist on making a huge issue of telling the schools in the tiny small towns like Bremen Georgia he insisted on moving too that I was a Jehovah's witness and wasn't allowed this and that, when other JW parents had sense enough to just quietly keep their kids out of school on holidays, he put me right in the face of every bigot in that town and then left me to walk home alone every single day. those little bastards used to hunt me in packs of five or more at times.

Then in the fifth grade I got sick of the constant abuse, so I said I didn't believe in any of it, causing those little bigots to declare me an atheists and hate me more, which is, on a side note, how I became an atheist.

the worst part was that the discrimination wasn't just at the hands of the other students, some of it, some of the worst of it in fact, came from the teachers.

whats driving me up a wall today however is that its not even possible to raise issue with that type of discrimination because believers, at the first sign of any criticism, unleash a torrent of hate, lies, accusations and ultimately try to shout me into silence or even make open threats of violence, and even extreme violence which all to often, even if they don't effect me, cause others who were listening to shy away.

I feel my life has been decimated by this religion, I feel it has me in a strangle hold and has me shackled with its practices and discrimination's, I feel exploited and helpless in their filthy hands and under the rule of their filthy self serving majority christian government, and I cannot even cry out, because every single time I open my mouth they attack ferociously.

If one cannot use words and discussion to raise legitimate grievance against the majority, then what are we but subjugated? if words cannot be used to change the oppressive and unacceptable views of the religious majority because those who prosper from the oppression and exploitation of those majority views attack at the first sign of argument against said oppression, then what remains for those of us subjugated under their whip?

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(August 24, 2015 at 2:13 pm)abaris Wrote: Deepthunk. If and when you're done insulting members and riding your high horse, you might look at what is said in this thread. You might even do something as exotic as reading books on the matter. Written by actual historians, who have done extended research. If your precious time allows, of course.

First of all, who have I insulted prey tell, and secondly I am very well versed on this subject and a verity of a material written and produced on the subject, those revisionist historians are the very people I wish to challenge.

Please spare me the christian game of attempting to undermine my self confidence by claiming I'm ignorant, I have a small database of research on this issue.

Now listen, I have a right to raise issue and grievance with christian religious discrimination, and I'm not going to be silenced any longer!

why would any so-called atheists take issue with criticism of christian discrimination, all the atheists i know and have known in reality have had personal experiences with it, and none defend it. You might as well go ahead and try to tell me every dictator in history was an atheist.

but here you are, defending religious intolerance.

now i suppose if I point out the known and provable fact the religious lobby organizations like the christian coalition hire social media writers to lobby the public on Facebook, in chatrooms, and yes, in discussion forums and point out that this forum would be a prime target for them before I again question your motive for angrily defending Christendom, your going to ignore every valid point I make, then call me crazy?

I ask because that's a very well known tactic your religion uses to shout critics into silence.

Yup, I neither have time nor patience for ignorant arrogance. Either inform yourself on a matter or keep posting out of your ass. The product is as expected.

(August 24, 2015 at 2:13 pm)abaris Wrote: Deepthunk. If and when you're done insulting members and riding your high horse, you might look at what is said in this thread. You might even do something as exotic as reading books on the matter. Written by actual historians, who have done extended research. If your precious time allows, of course.

Let me put it a little more simply, I want to know why I cant raise issue with christian intolerance on an atheist discussion forum without a handful of so-called unbelievers jumping up to report me for nothing and angrily telling me I'm all wrong when every word is verifiable true.

tell you what, look at these images that all prove my point http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

now why don't you sit there and get all angry at me for posting that link while you pretend your not a christian, because its not like anyone could figure out that people pose as someone their not on the internet.

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(August 24, 2015 at 2:32 pm)abaris Wrote: Yup, I neither have time nor patience for ignorant arrogance. Either inform yourself on a matter or keep posting out of your ass. The product is as expected.

A-Hem, I repeat http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

now tell me more how I'm so "ignorant" for pointing out the affiliation between nazi's and Catholicism.

I suppose all those pictures must have been doctored by us "evil atheists"?

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(August 24, 2015 at 2:32 pm)abaris Wrote: Yup, I neither have time nor patience for ignorant arrogance. Either inform yourself on a matter or keep posting out of your ass. The product is as expected.

You want to be insulted? I'll put it bluntly, your not an agnostic, your a christian posing as one, and as such are a lair and a bigot yourself.

By the way I know what my I.Q. is, and a skills test I took in middle school showed that I could read and write on a college sophomore level when I was in the sixth grade. So blindly calling me ignorant or any other such none-sense wont silence me, I know better.

How about lets skip labels here?

Can an atheist commit murder? Yes. Can an atheist be selfish? I give you Ayn Rand.

So to my theist counterparts, this is not an argument to claim "atheist" should act like a religion or political party.

I hate that Carter, and Malala, and King make claims I think are crap. But Ayn Rand also made claims that were crap.

The only reason to reject god claims, is lack of evidence. But it should be about claims, not human rights.

(August 24, 2015 at 2:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote: How about lets skip labels here?

Can an atheist commit murder? Yes. Can an atheist be selfish? I give you Ayn Rand.

So to my theist counterparts, this is not an argument to claim "atheist" should act like a religion or political party.

I hate that Carter, and Malala, and King make claims I think are crap. But Ayn Rand also made claims that were crap.

The only reason to reject god claims, is lack of evidence. But it should be about claims, not human rights.

Well, the real issue here is not only do Christians commit these crimes, they on the whole and from the grass roots maintain the belief and propaganda that they are morally superior while swearing accusations on everyone they hate from atheist to pagans too gays and lesbians. That and a number of other discrimination are the issues I'm trying to raise because the truth is that there's a proverbial ten ton gorilla in the room that no one ever talks about which is the desperate need for a non-believers civil rights movement to demand equality and equitable treatment, especially the mistreatment of our kids in schools by christian teachers (i know there's a need there, I had a few of those teachers).

Actually there is a lot more than a lack of evidence of a god, I have a stack of evidence that flat disproves it.

On a side note, I don't love Ayn Rand, but she did say that which can be proven true is fact regardless of our feelings on the matter. Thats a great quote and an excellent definition of fact i'll give her.

They were white people too.

(August 24, 2015 at 2:32 pm)abaris Wrote: Yup, I neither have time nor patience for ignorant arrogance. Either inform yourself on a matter or keep posting out of your ass. The product is as expected.

I feel compelled to point out even after all this time that you never made a single rational statement which disproved a word I said, in fact all you have done is refer to Christian revisionist historians and pretend they were right when their statements were non-factual.

considering that Christian priests and ministers like to name agnosticism side by side with atheism when they swear non-religious people are everything under the sun that's evil, I find myself wondering why anyone from one of the groups they condemn and openly hate would rush to defend their hate driven accusations.

(August 24, 2015 at 1:23 pm)Deepthunk Wrote: Furthermore not only was hitler raised in a catholic monastery that bore a symbol almost identical to a swastika over its entrance

This is factually incorrect.