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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 5, 2016 at 8:51 am
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Of course, you are right.
I presume what AJ Styles here means is that either it's God, or it's a completely natural, unexciting, scientific transition, as predicted by evil scientists. But abiogenesis is the whole subject of where life came from, so of course, it's redundant to have it as a "possibility".
I wonder if God counts as life?
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 5, 2016 at 9:12 am
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It wouldn't matter, their god is uncaused and uncreated, if you'll recall. If god counts as life, life still came from non-life...as god comes from nothing.
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The Problem with Christians
April 5, 2016 at 10:26 am
(April 5, 2016 at 8:38 am)Rhythm Wrote: (April 5, 2016 at 2:14 am)AJW333 Wrote: If there is no God then life must have begun via abiogenesis.
Life must have begun via abiogenesis -regardless-. Once there was no life, from this came life. That's what abiogenesis means........
Quote:It is used as an example of faith. No one ever saw it happen, it can't be reproduced naturally and it cannot be said to be a scientific fact because it fails to meet the necessary criteria. On the other hand, we have independent eyewitnesses to the life of Jesus and his miracles who wrote down their observations and were prepared to die for the truth of what they wrote. Therefore, I would contend that there is more factual evidence for Christ than there is for abiogenesis. As such, I would consider atheists who believe in abiogenesis to be a people of faith.
We don't -actually- have independent eyewitnesses to the life of jesus, but why would it matter if we did? What does that have to do with the origins of life? There's hardly a need to believe in abiogenesis - but who cares? Still the laziest TQ I've ever seen. What's all the waffling about faith supposed to be about, do you think that faith is a bad thing?
We know nothing about the origins of life, the science is wrong from the bottom up. Now that we have that handled and it's pointless to further discuss science, tell us what -you- know about the origins of life and how you came to that knowledge, whatever it is?
Right. Christians accept abiogenesis as well. They just don't realize it. Man from dust. Life from non-life. The difference is, scientists posit hypotheses that comport with reality as we reliably understand it. Christians just say "magic did it!"
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 5, 2016 at 10:41 am
I'm still waiting for him to even say what he thinks happened. I gave him three sensible versions and apparently none of them were good enough.
I am left to assume that he has no idea what he believes, just that it is true.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 5, 2016 at 11:04 am
This thread is a fine example of why mythology should be banned from from mainstream education. It inflicts severe brainfuckery.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 5, 2016 at 11:37 am
(April 4, 2016 at 9:13 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Faith is believing in something without good reasons to do so.
Where did you get that from?
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April 5, 2016 at 11:38 am
(April 5, 2016 at 11:37 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (April 4, 2016 at 9:13 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Faith is believing in something without good reasons to do so.
Where did you get that from?
My brain.
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April 5, 2016 at 11:42 am
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(April 5, 2016 at 11:38 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: (April 5, 2016 at 11:37 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Where did you get that from?
My brain.
OK... my mind disagrees
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 5, 2016 at 11:46 am
(April 5, 2016 at 11:37 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (April 4, 2016 at 9:13 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Faith is believing in something without good reasons to do so.
Where did you get that from?
Hebrews 11.1
Quote:Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Hoist by your own petard, lad!
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April 5, 2016 at 11:50 am
(April 5, 2016 at 11:42 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (April 5, 2016 at 11:38 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: My brain.
OK... my mind disagrees
If I told you I had a pet two-headed dinosaur that lives in my basement, would you just believe me on faith? Or would you require I provide you with evidence before accepting that what I just told you is true? Faith is not a virtue.
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