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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 1, 2012 at 10:31 am
(March 30, 2012 at 8:11 am)Faith No More Wrote: I do good on my own out of an understanding that it makes people feel better. I admit that makes me feel better too, but that is quite different from only doing good because I believe it will procure a place in paradise for my eternal soul.
Give away all your posessions, huh? I assume you have done this then?
C Rod Wrote:Are they still not punished for either crimes? Does the severity of the punishment correct the criminal's behavior?
I'm not sure what this has to do with our intentions being relevant to the moral standing of our actions.
That's the question, does the intentions or reasons for our moral actions matter?
Is not the idea of punishment for any crime, no matter how severe, justify its reason and purpose for moral correction, reparation, or deprivation because we acknowledge them as a wrong?
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 1, 2012 at 10:54 am
Happy Zombie on a stick day C-Rod...
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 1, 2012 at 11:21 am
According to scripture, no.
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 1, 2012 at 12:16 pm
(April 1, 2012 at 11:21 am)houseofcantor Wrote: According to scripture, no.
What does it say according to Jesus?
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 1, 2012 at 1:15 pm
(April 1, 2012 at 12:16 pm)C Rod Wrote: (April 1, 2012 at 11:21 am)houseofcantor Wrote: According to scripture, no.
What does it say according to Jesus?
In the OT, Moses tries to take the blame for his crew making the golden calf, and YHWH is like, ain't happening, dude. In Ezekiel, the concept of the sins of the fathers passing to the sons is repealed. And Jesus was about fulfilling the law rather than changing the law, so, no.
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 1, 2012 at 1:25 pm
(April 1, 2012 at 1:15 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: (April 1, 2012 at 12:16 pm)C Rod Wrote: (April 1, 2012 at 11:21 am)houseofcantor Wrote: According to scripture, no.
What does it say according to Jesus?
In the OT, Moses tries to take the blame for his crew making the golden calf, and YHWH is like, ain't happening, dude. In Ezekiel, the concept of the sins of the fathers passing to the sons is repealed. And Jesus was about fulfilling the law rather than changing the law, so, no.
It wasn't law. The fulfillment was Jesus coming to take away the sins, no one else could. All the OT is the story and prediction of Jesus. The Law was the ten commandments.
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 1, 2012 at 2:05 pm
(April 1, 2012 at 1:25 pm)C Rod Wrote: All the OT is the story and prediction of Jesus.
What!?
One of those, I see.
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 1, 2012 at 2:12 pm
(April 1, 2012 at 2:05 pm)houseofcantor Wrote: (April 1, 2012 at 1:25 pm)C Rod Wrote: All the OT is the story and prediction of Jesus.
What!?
One of those, I see.
What else do you have to say to that? I'm intrigued and profoundly curious to know this group or type I am.
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 1, 2012 at 2:34 pm
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More of this blood atonement and vicarious redemption bullshit? How's about you man up and take responsibility for your own failings for a change? There is no morality to be had if you start from this point. Just evasion. Perhaps you can be forgiven, perhaps someone else can suffer in your stead, but nothing has been taken away, you're still filthy. Hell, probably filthier for even hoping that sacrificing another would somehow wash you clean.
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RE: Dilemma for theists!
April 1, 2012 at 2:54 pm
(April 1, 2012 at 2:12 pm)C Rod Wrote: What else do you have to say to that? I'm intrigued and profoundly curious to know this group or type I am.
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