Question about female worth in islam.

[Nineteen]

I read it in an objective way and found just the opposite, I also found it really unconvincing. Why don't you try looking at things from another perspective? There's a much greater world awaiting women who are able to escape the barbaric clutches of Islam. Free your mind from this nonsense.

I was born as a muslim and I will die as a muslim inshallah . Allahu Akbar .

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I read it in an objective way and found just the opposite, I also found it really unconvincing. Why don't you try looking at things from another perspective? There's a much greater world awaiting women who are able to escape the barbaric clutches of Islam. Free your mind from this nonsense.

I was born as a muslim and I will die as a muslim inshallah . Allahu Akbar .

No you weren't.

You weren't born with a belief in Allah. Nobody is born with a belief. You were taught to believe in Allah and follow the strict rules of Islam.

You're free to believe and do whatever you want (within the confines of the given legal system), but don't insinuate that we're born believing in deities. Because it's demonstrably false.

I appreciate your honesty on the Hadiths, too.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Could you give me a verse in the qur'an that says all humans are equal regardless of nationality and religion? One that says so explicitly. Because I know muslims are often taught not to marry nonmuslims, where is this coming from if we're all equal?

[Nineteen]

No you weren't.
You weren't born with a belief in Allah. Nobody is born with a belief. You were taught to believe in Allah and follow the strict rules of Islam.
You're free to believe and do whatever you want (within the confines of the given legal system), but don't insinuate that we're born believing in deities. Because it's demonstrably false.
I appreciate your honesty on the Hadiths, too.

Every human being is born with a sense of search for a creator (God/Allah/Jehovah,sun,cow,idols,etc...) . But all of them cannot find the true one . Environments affects people and plays a big role to draw their path .

[NoraBrimstone]

No you weren't.
You weren't born with a belief in Allah. Nobody is born with a belief. You were taught to believe in Allah and follow the strict rules of Islam.
You're free to believe and do whatever you want (within the confines of the given legal system), but don't insinuate that we're born believing in deities. Because it's demonstrably false.
I appreciate your honesty on the Hadiths, too.

Every human being is born with a sense of search for a creator (God/Allah/Jehovah,sun,cow,idols,etc...) . But all of them cannot find the true one . Environments affects people and plays a big role to draw their path .

Now you're just telling outright lies. Does your religion not tell you lying is bad?

[pocaracas]

Every human being is born with a sense of search for a creator (God/Allah/Jehovah,sun,cow,idols,etc...) . But all of them cannot find the true one . Environments affects people and plays a big role to draw their path .

Now you're just telling outright lies. Does your religion not tell you lying is bad?

It's not a lie, if you're convinced it's true...
Well... it is a lie, but an indirect one... so it's not the fault of the deluded person.

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I sense derailment....

Who hears this Allah person say those things?

That kind of looks like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 2.

If you read Quran without prejudices in an objective way , you can realize the importance given to human rights .

Ah, so it's written in a book that the allah guy said those things... is that it?

Remind me again why I should take that book seriously...?

[Chas]

As I said , I'm not interested with the disruptions stemming from political reasons .

Allah says everyone have equal rights and everyone will reach their goals as long as they work . Doesnt matter their gender , nationality , religion .

Because you don't like reality? Because you don't like the unpleasant truth?

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I sense derailment....

Who hears this Allah person say those things?

That kind of looks like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 2.

If you read Quran without prejudices in an objective way , you can realize the importance given to human rights .

Whatever you say. But as Wes says, maybe you should bring this up with your Muslim brethren next time they use the Quran or the stories of the prophet to circumcise a woman, or to bash her head in with giant rocks.

I dont believe in hadiths . All of them were revealed after centuries of the prophet and many of them were fabricated by Umayyads and Abbasids for political reasons . Most importantly , many verse in Quran forbids to believe in hadiths . Also many of them contradict with each other and contradict with Quran .

The Quran was written down from people's memories decades after the alleged events. It is no more true than the hadiths.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

No you weren't.
You weren't born with a belief in Allah. Nobody is born with a belief. You were taught to believe in Allah and follow the strict rules of Islam.
You're free to believe and do whatever you want (within the confines of the given legal system), but don't insinuate that we're born believing in deities. Because it's demonstrably false.
I appreciate your honesty on the Hadiths, too.

Every human being is born with a sense of search for a creator (God/Allah/Jehovah,sun,cow,idols,etc...) . But all of them cannot find the true one . Environments affects people and plays a big role to draw their path .

This is false. I use myself as proof. Never once been compelled to search for a god, never once been religious. Considered the options when I was younger, dismissed them all for the same reason I dismiss them now; lack of evidence.

No human being is taught with the "sense to search for a creator". I demand you evidence your bullshit assertion.

[Nineteen]

Could you give me a verse in the qur'an that says all humans are equal regardless of nationality and religion? One that says so explicitly. Because I know muslims are often taught not to marry nonmuslims, where is this coming from if we're all equal?

You can easly find this verses after a little research .

4:135 "...stand with justice as witnesses to God, even if against yourselves..."

7:181 "From among those We created is a community who guides with truth, and with it they establish justice"

5:42 "...God loves those who are equitable..."

5:8 "...stand for God as witnesses for justice, and let not the hatred towards a people make you avoid being just..."

10:47 "...the matter is decreed between them with justice, and they are not wronged..."

7:29 "...my Lord orders justice..."

42:15 ".....I was commanded to apply justice between you...."

60:8 ".....God loves those who act equitably...."


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Allah prohibits to marry with "mushriks" , not non-muslims . Please look at the Lisan-ul Arab dictionary for the meaning of "mushrik" .

Allah wants equality for justice . Allowing people to marry with each other is equality , but allowing two diametrically opposed minded people to marry each other is not justice . in the long run will cause many problems and social disruption .

[NoraBrimstone]

LOL. You're nuttier than squirrel shit.