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Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
RE: Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
I missed ya you old hobbit >Big Grin

You offerend your ass on a plate, but you are mistaken, thats is more of a catholic practice, if you are young enough. The gesture is appreciated though Wink
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RE: Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
You're welcome you Portuguese pumpkin you Smile
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RE: Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
(March 1, 2014 at 10:02 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Personally Missy, I wouldn't give a flying. Correctly, my non repentance, to the woman and/ or to a deity, should I have one, would be hindering my life/ separating me from life (God).

I'd be causing my own suffering immediately. No need to think about the theoretical after life, plenty reason to set things straight in the real world, don't you think.

I nor anyone else gets to evade justice. More so when factoring in perfect justice. I have that. You don't. It seems like you're the one with the problem. How do you cope with the injustice? It's reality. It bites. There's no logical solution... It's just not fair. Do you just have to harden yourself against it? Are you building walls?


wtf kinda answer is this?

I asked a question about if you died before repenting to your god, did you think that's hell-worthy because you hadn't repented that particular sin? I did not however, ask how you'd feel for the other people in the scenario, nor the moral implications of it.

This ties to my theory that you are wracked with guilt constantly and consistently for 'thought crimes' against your god and are programmed with an (unhealthy) incessant need to retribute for fear of going to hell unrepentant. The alternative, what you said, was that you are wiped clean immediately ( not upon death ) , therefore you don't fear hell for your constant 'sinning'. Ever said 'goddamnit' in your head and immediately asked forgiveness?
Thought crime is in itself unjust based upon how the brain is wired. Humans aren't monogamous animals (citation: history) -of course you're gonna look at your neighbors wife's ass and wish you could have that. Oops, commandment.

I need only spend five minutes with kids to get a grasp on the roots of human behavior. We want what we cant have; we touch that which we are told not to touch; we say things we dont mean, we do things against our best judgement; we have an unquenchable thirst for exploration and exposition, and the entire spectrum of emotions we have as humans is not meant to be suppressed. It can be rationalized, and if you want to rationalize it with an abject fear of eternal suffering then go for it. But don't try to drag me back into that thinking unless you can rationally explain yourself and your god first.

Evolution happened and whether it's right or wrong--our species proliferates from non monogomy. Our bodies are complex and reactive to our environments into automatic reactions at times.
You know you can be programmed to say goddamnit non consciously just by hearing it in your daily life. I don't have time atm but I will post some examples that I have seen. Of scientific conclusive studies that clearly show that your way of thinking goes against the very nature your god supposedly made you with. And lets not bore folks with another Genesis conversation, either; Eve and Adam didn't know right from wrong but were punished along with the entire human race for doing something god A. knew would happen, B. implemented a sentence to hell for C. Set up himself by giving humans curiousity then telling them not to do something.

So the question I would have is, why do you think the same god that wrote the Bible and created you as you are, is real or just?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
I didn't address the feelings of other people at all. I don't know how you work that out. Yes I curse all the time and don't give a toss about it. I don't play by rules much. I'm known as pretty much a maverick. Straight people are shocked by me. But that's just me.

If you had kids you'd teach them rules to keep them safe. It's called being a good parent. That's where concepts of God originate. Love is to teach kids so that their thoughts are automatically the safe ones.
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RE: Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
(March 3, 2014 at 4:57 am)fr0d0 Wrote: If you had kids you'd teach them rules to keep them safe. It's called being a good parent. That's where concepts of God originate.

Wanting and unnecessary. But you're right, that is where the concept of God originates. It's just like all the other childhood fairy tales (tooth fairy, Easter bunny, Santa, etc.) except some of you adults hold onto it too long.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
Turn about is fair play...

Go to the most important person in your life and tell him or her that they are a worthless piece of shit that should never have been born and you hate them and wish they were dead...then say you didn't really mean it.

Now are you scared or do you just not care about their feelings?
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RE: Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
The difference being that you have an actual, independently verified relationship with an important person in your life and I could actually sit down and have a coffee with them, look them in the eye, exchange pleasantries etc
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
In any relationship all you can know is how anything affects you. If you act like a douche then you regret that. No response needed.
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RE: Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
(March 3, 2014 at 1:31 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Turn about is fair play...

Go to the most important person in your life and tell him or her that they are a worthless piece of shit that should never have been born and you hate them and wish they were dead...then say you didn't really mean it.

Now are you scared or do you just not care about their feelings?

And my family member is omniscient too so that I don't have to explain the point or emphasize that lost souls are riding on my credibility?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Christians, prove your minds aren't molested by fear.
(March 3, 2014 at 1:31 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Turn about is fair play...

Go to the most important person in your life and tell him or her that they are a worthless piece of shit that should never have been born and you hate them and wish they were dead...then say you didn't really mean it.

Now are you scared or do you just not care about their feelings?
Would this person know that I did not mean it, that I was just doing it as some kind of dopey exercise?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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