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RE: Indiana Pizzeria Won't Serve Gay Couples
April 3, 2015 at 4:56 pm
(April 3, 2015 at 3:39 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (April 3, 2015 at 3:37 pm)Mezmo! Wrote: So I can turn away a guy without a jacket, but not the dominatrix and her jacket wearing collared slave (i.e. openly displaying their sexual preferences and identity)?
What kind of insane bullshit is this? You can turn away someone if they don't meet the dress code standards of your restaurant, period. If the dominatrix and slave are not up to dress code, then of course you can turn them away for that.
Are you really this dense or are you being intentionally obsfucatory?
The latter.
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RE: Indiana Pizzeria Won't Serve Gay Couples
April 3, 2015 at 5:06 pm
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(April 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (April 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm)Mezmo! Wrote: So if a group of Klan in full garb walk into your family diner you wouldn't politely ask them to leave?
If they came in for pizza no I wouldn't kick them out, seeing that I am a pizza joint...
Would you cater a Klan cross burning party?
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April 3, 2015 at 5:17 pm
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(April 3, 2015 at 5:06 pm)A Theist Wrote: (April 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: If they came in for pizza no I wouldn't kick them out, seeing that I am a pizza joint...
Would you cater a Klan cross burning party?
I would provide the food for their party provided the paid me. But I'm half black, so they probably wouldn't ask.
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RE: Indiana Pizzeria Won't Serve Gay Couples
April 3, 2015 at 5:38 pm
(April 3, 2015 at 5:06 pm)A Theist Wrote: (April 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: If they came in for pizza no I wouldn't kick them out, seeing that I am a pizza joint...
Would you cater a Klan cross burning party?
Yes, I can think they are assholes without discriminating against them. I would do the same thing for a Christian church or a baptism party, I don't have to share your beliefs to do business with you.
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RE: Indiana Pizzeria Won't Serve Gay Couples
April 3, 2015 at 6:09 pm
A couple of years ago, I owned a little crafting studio where people came to make stuff. An eight-year-old girl had very Christian-themed birthday party there. I even made a Christian-themed playlist, and stocked Christian-themed odds and ends for their crafts. I got $500 out of that party.
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RE: Indiana Pizzeria Won't Serve Gay Couples
April 3, 2015 at 6:30 pm
(April 3, 2015 at 4:46 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (April 3, 2015 at 11:06 am)A Theist Wrote: The pizza shop owner indicated that she didn't have a problem with gays coming into her business and ordering pizza. However, she would have a problem catering a gay wedding because of her religious beliefs. The compromise: allow her business to continue serving gays and the rest of the public in her establishment, but not forcing her and other business owners of faith to accommodate gay weddings and anything else associated to gay marriage, which would be contrary to their religious beliefs.
Let me explain why that's a really bad idea.
The pizza shop owner indicated that she didn't have a problem with interracial couples coming into her business and ordering pizza. However, she would have a problem catering an interracial couple wedding because of her religious beliefs. The compromise: allow her business to continue serving interracial couples and the rest of the public in her establishment, but not forcing her and other business owners of faith to accommodate interracial couple weddings and anything else associated to interracial couple marriage, which would be contrary to their religious beliefs.
Doesn't sound so good now, does it?
Your ignorance of history and the glibness with which you equate the unique and pernicious evil of racism is appalling. The compromise of freedom of association still requires the necessary evil of government intrusion in the case of race. Government intrusion into the free market by means of "Jim Crow" laws actually prevented people from pursuing their best economic interests. However, because the legacy of slavery is such a deep scar and terrorist groups like the KKK, purely market forces would probably not been enough. I'm sure dozens of other pizza joints would be happy to take their money. Besides what are you going to do fine them. Losing business is already a fine imposed by the free market.
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RE: Indiana Pizzeria Won't Serve Gay Couples
April 3, 2015 at 7:30 pm
(April 3, 2015 at 4:23 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: ![[Image: 611_BDR5.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=s26.postimg.org%2Fbil60qyzt%2F611_BDR5.jpg)
Sorry Isabel, Gays are not a protected class in Indiana. The pizzeria doesn't have to serve gay people if they don't want too.
Those are the rules.
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RE: Indiana Pizzeria Won't Serve Gay Couples
April 3, 2015 at 7:36 pm
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(April 3, 2015 at 6:30 pm)Mezmo! Wrote: (April 3, 2015 at 4:46 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Let me explain why that's a really bad idea.
The pizza shop owner indicated that she didn't have a problem with interracial couples coming into her business and ordering pizza. However, she would have a problem catering an interracial couple wedding because of her religious beliefs. The compromise: allow her business to continue serving interracial couples and the rest of the public in her establishment, but not forcing her and other business owners of faith to accommodate interracial couple weddings and anything else associated to interracial couple marriage, which would be contrary to their religious beliefs.
Doesn't sound so good now, does it?
Your ignorance of history and the glibness with which you equate the unique and pernicious evil of racism is appalling. The compromise of freedom of association still requires the necessary evil of government intrusion in the case of race. Government intrusion into the free market by means of "Jim Crow" laws actually prevented people from pursuing their best economic interests. However, because the legacy of slavery is such a deep scar and terrorist groups like the KKK, purely market forces would probably not been enough. I'm sure dozens of other pizza joints would be happy to take their money. Besides what are you going to do fine them. Losing business is already a fine imposed by the free market.
Bigotry is bigotry, no matter the reason Chad. The way you race to defend it is more than appalling, it's utterly revolting.
(April 3, 2015 at 7:30 pm)Heywood Wrote:
Sorry Isabel, Gays are not a protected class in Indiana. The pizzeria doesn't have to serve gay people if they don't want too.
Those are the rules.
Wrong, Woody...
As usual...
(April 2, 2015 at 6:56 pm)Minimalist Wrote: So watching the republicunts cave completely brings us to this:
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/indian...ce-changes
Quote:The amendment to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act released Thursday prohibits service providers from using the law as a legal defense for refusing to provide services, goods, facilities or accommodations. It also bars discrimination based on race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or United States military service.
So....what was the point of the law in the first place? (emphasis is mine)
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RE: Indiana Pizzeria Won't Serve Gay Couples
April 3, 2015 at 8:32 pm
(April 3, 2015 at 7:30 pm)Heywood Wrote: Sorry Isabel, Gays are not a protected class in Indiana. The pizzeria doesn't have to serve gay people if they don't want too.
Those are the rules.
"Those are the rules," as though that's any kind of answer to the issue. As though there have never been any immoral rules that needed repealing. 
Just to illustrate how completely vapid and lacking in worth your position is, let me change a few words around:
"Sorry Isabel, Blacks are not a protected class in Indiana. The pizzeria doesn't have to serve gay people if they don't want too."
"Sorry Isabel, Women are not a protected class in Indiana. The pizzeria doesn't have to serve gay people if they don't want too."
"Sorry Isabel, Christians are not a protected class in Indiana. The pizzeria doesn't have to serve gay people if they don't want too."
But those are the rules, right? And rules must always be thoughtlessly followed, no matter their content! 
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RE: Indiana Pizzeria Won't Serve Gay Couples
April 3, 2015 at 8:58 pm
(April 3, 2015 at 8:32 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (April 3, 2015 at 7:30 pm)Heywood Wrote: Sorry Isabel, Gays are not a protected class in Indiana. The pizzeria doesn't have to serve gay people if they don't want too.
Those are the rules.
"Those are the rules," as though that's any kind of answer to the issue. As though there have never been any immoral rules that needed repealing.
Just to illustrate how completely vapid and lacking in worth your position is, let me change a few words around:
"Sorry Isabel, Blacks are not a protected class in Indiana. The pizzeria doesn't have to serve gay people if they don't want too."
"Sorry Isabel, Women are not a protected class in Indiana. The pizzeria doesn't have to serve gay people if they don't want too."
"Sorry Isabel, Christians are not a protected class in Indiana. The pizzeria doesn't have to serve gay people if they don't want too."
But those are the rules, right? And rules must always be thoughtlessly followed, no matter their content!
Blacks are a protected class in Indiana. From what I understand, gays are not. I think I read that on the Huffington Post......so I could be wrong.
Esquilax, you claim, "those are the rules" isn't a good answer when you don't like the rules. When you like the rules, its "Well if they don't want to serve gay customers then don't open a pizzeria".
If you really....really....really think "those are the rules" is not a good answer. I agree with you. I was satirizing all the morons who make that claim when they happen to find the rules favorable.
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