What would evidence of a God even look like?

[Foxaèr]

You can measure the earths magnetic field. Things that exist can be measured in some way or another. That some things cannot be seen yet still exist is not proof of God because those things can still be measured. I still fail to see any good reason that God couldn't been seen anyway.

Not to mention the fact that he must be one pussy of a god to be invisible and lead millions of people to believe he is there on the false merits of faith alone.

If a god existed, there would be absolutely no reason that he could not prove himself. None.

[Arkilogue]

My theological answer is a "self expression" by the extant God but the scientific answer "quantum fluctuation" works just as well.  But neither fully answers "how"?

My answer comes from quantizing the infinite spacial relationships the IUS has with it's own substance, into finite representation. This is not word salad, this is the discrete meaning of "quantum": the minimum single action or measurement of an infinite.

Well, first off, your use of the phrase 'infinite' slipped past me.  Even if the original universe had no center and was omnipresent in space-time, that doesn't make it infinite in comparison to current time spatial metrics.  So no, infinity is not one of its attributes.  Moreover, it seems plausible that an actual infinity cannot exist, so this infinitude of the early universe must only be conceptual.

Second, that's not the definition of quantum.  Loosely speaking, quantum result from quantizing the finite, that the finite is organized into discrete quanta that are indivisible.  It does sound like word salad to me, but please continue.

The substance of the IUS exists in 3 equal relationships: All around itself equally in all directions, at the center of itself everywhere and as a field in tension equilibrium. This quantizes into a sphere, a point of real substance (not a place holder point) in the center of the sphere, and a tetrahedron (minimum geometric tensor of 3d space) between them.

Why would it quantize into essentially two space objects and a tetrahedron?  This step doesn't seem to follow from mere quantization of the plenury that was the early universe.  How is this a better prediction of the early universe than standard inflationary cosmology?  

If a God being expressed itself, those are the only spatial relationships to be expressed..... if the IUS just up and one day quantum fluctuated, those are the only spacial relationships to be expressed.

If I follow you, you're suggesting that this hypothetical evolution of the early universe is identical to that which would be the product of a god being expressing itself.  I fail to see where you get that this is the necessary consequence of a god expressing itself.  Feel free to continue anyway.  I'll do my best to make sense of it.

Follow so far?

Vaguely.  I'll know better from your next step.

If there is stuff, there is either a finite amount or an infinite amount. A finite amount in the pre-inflationary singularity brings up many "fine tuning" arguments made by theists conveniently but poorly explained away by the Many World Metaverse theory.

I am simply following the thought experiment of equal opposite reaction in the contraction of an infinite, homogeneous substance. Not the expansion of a finite amount of it. And when I followed the logic, it predicted universal phenomena up and down scale. Even the origin of Life in DNA form.

It quantizes that way because that's how it actually exists, poly-locally. No matter where you go in the IUS you are at a real center point. No matter what point you choose, the rest of the substance exists as a spherical wave-form equally all around you in all directions. There is no gravitational differentiation, there is equal gravitational tension in all 3d spatial directions. There is no other distinction. It is extremely simple.


My thought on why I say "it was a God expressing itself" is because the resulting form and function of universal order are the requirements for embodied individuation and experience of consciousness as a single being. It was not intelligent design but geometric and biological.

[Jesster]

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[Arkilogue]

So the IUS is both one and infinite and this is why when it destabilizes/self expresses, I intuit it manifesting infinite sphere/field/point quanta at the same instant. How?  As a infinite horizontal plane of equal sized spheres. No matter where the IUS divides, it divides exactly in half and fires of in one direction, creating not one plane of infinite equal sized spheres but plane after plane after plane, forever. Once set in motion, it will continue to leaves cavitated universes in it's wake all patterned exactly the same.

The metaverse is a quantum deterministic sphere stack of equal sized void bubbles/spheres/universes. They are all a singular expression of the same one thing. They are finite wave-forms of the original infinite "particle" (IUS)

I know I am going fast there is a bit to get through...any questions, comments, concerns so far?

Okay.  We have an infinite stack of space-time bubbles.  We'll ignore for the moment that you wouldn't have an actual infinity of space-time spheres and see where it goes from here.  Are we thus postulating a multiverse then?

Yes, the multiverse this theory predicts is an equal sized sphere stack of maximum density, there are several that achieve maximum density and I'm currently working with and ABCABC stack. The stack is infinite along the horizontal and finite vertically as more planes are created every moment.

First thing this model predicts (for every universe) is rapid initial space-time expansion then cessation of that expanse as the borders of the universes collide (the IUS is compressed into motion between the spheres). There are further divisions of space-time (6) within each bubble/universe of which, our physical cosmos which patterns for our specific type of atom, is only 1 of the 6. That space is expanding inside the universal bubble and as it gets closer to the mass at the periphery and the center, it will accelerate.

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I blow out of the water, intelligent design and all appeal to cultural consensus/antiquity/authority with equal joyous abandon.

The Many World Metaverse theory gets no special treatment either.

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So.... when is all this going to get to a god?

The IUS is the God you are not looking for.

I've moved on to how this God produces and sustains the universe we find ourselves in.

[Jesster]

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I blow out of the water, intelligent design and all appeal to cultural consensus/antiquity/authority with equal joyous abandon.

The Many World Metaverse theory gets no special treatment either.

When did I say this was for you? I'm just giving people a resource to follow your patterns in other threads.

[Angrboda]

If there is stuff, there is either a finite amount or an infinite amount. A finite amount in the pre-inflationary singularity brings up many "fine tuning" arguments made by theists conveniently but poorly explained away by the Many World Metaverse theory.

I am simply following the thought experiment of equal opposite reaction in the contraction of an infinite, homogeneous substance. Not the expansion of a finite amount of it. And when I followed the logic, it predicted universal phenomena up and down scale.  Even the origin of Life in DNA form.

Fine. You seem to have a lot of things that don't appear to follow, but ex hypothesi I'll accept your postulate that the initial plenury was infinite. Let's get to the predicting relationships as soon as feasible.

It quantizes that way because that's how it actually exists, poly-locally.  No matter where you go in the IUS you are at a real center point. No matter what point you choose, the rest of the substance exists as a spherical wave-form equally all around you in all directions.  There is no gravitational differentiation, there is equal gravitational tension in all 3d spatial directions.  There is no other distinction.  It is extremely simple.

Technically there is no center point because there is no boundary to the plenury. Saying that all points are at the center is metaphorical, not literal, as being the center would imply a spherical boundary, or as you suggest, "a spherical wave-form." I don't know quantum mechanics, so I couldn't quantify what the wave-form would be. Again, I'll accept ex hypothesi that it quantizes as a sphere, and ask you to continue.

My thought on why I say "it was a God expressing itself" is because the resulting form and function of universal order are the requirements for embodied individuation and experience of consciousness as a single being. It was not intelligent design but geometric and biological.

I think you're getting ahead of yourself. It's definitely geometric, but biology, individuation, and consciousness have yet to make an appearance. What makes you think this form of order are "the requirements for embodied individuation and experience of consciousness as a single being?"

[Arkilogue]

I blow out of the water, intelligent design and all appeal to cultural consensus/antiquity/authority with equal joyous abandon.

The Many World Metaverse theory gets no special treatment either.  

When did I say this was for you? I'm just giving people a resource to follow your patterns in other threads.

Sorry, thought you were asking me if I was a troll, carry on.

[Foxaèr]

I know evidence should resemble evidence rather than conjecture.

[Arkilogue]

Technically there is no center point because there is no boundary to the plenury.  Saying that all points are at the center is metaphorical, not literal, as being the center would imply a spherical boundary, or as you suggest, "a spherical wave-form."  I don't know quantum mechanics, so I couldn't quantify what the wave-form would be.  Again, I'll accept ex hypothesi that it quantizes as a sphere, and ask you to continue.

My thought on why I say "it was a God expressing itself" is because the resulting form and function of universal order are the requirements for embodied individuation and experience of consciousness as a single being. It was not intelligent design but geometric and biological.

I think you're getting ahead of yourself.  It's definitely geometric, but biology, individuation, and consciousness have yet to make an appearance.  What makes you think this form of order are "the requirements for embodied individuation and experience of consciousness as a single being?"

That is why I say every where is a center and the IUS is omni-centric. There is no individual center point, every point is center in an extant, border-less infinite substance. It is very literal.

Yes, I am getting ahead of myself. The only intra-universal geometry I have established is the sphere/field/point "hologram" or holon.

Prediction: So each universe is a cavitational body or void space organized as a spherical outer membrane (with IUS matter in motion beyond), a central point/sphere (3d ball of matter) and a tensor field between them. If this is the "macro-container" that is the universe, I predict it's "micro-standing wave-form" to have self similar but inverse structure. Like how a round bucket full of water will create a round internal wave when vibrated vs a square bucket will produce a square internal wave.

Evidence:The hydrogen atom. Inverting this universal sphere/field/point holon gives me a large spherical component at the center with a smaller point-like component flying around it in a probability field, establishing a discrete border condition.

Atom's are spherical and stable because the universe is spherical and stable.

[Jesster]

It smells a little like Poe in here.