(November 22, 2015 at 12:50 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yeah, so as I said, Lek is against secular same sex marriage for non Christians. Clearly you want it to be known that there's something inferior about homosexuals that needs pointing out with different labels.
Appeals to "how things have always been" are awful. Why did we get rid of slavery? As SF says, why did we get rid of race restrictions? Why did we make marital rape a thing?
Because we want to improve things for everyone. If you just personally dislike the idea, that's one thing. But if you'd actually stand in the way of it, if you had the power, then you're a bigot hiding behind tradition and religion. A minute ago it was what the bible says, now it's tradition. Neither are good arguments.
Marriage is not "sacred", marriage is a secular contract that has nothing to do with religion. The religious ceremony is optional, and it is not the actual marriage. There is in fact no need to also have it be a secular marriage. The fact that some people want it to be, to get the benefits, yet would deny others based on their personal discomfort, is disgusting to me. No one is making churches host same sex marriages. The secular marriage is nothing at all to do with religion, and certainly not just your religion. Saying, "You can do it but you can't call it marriage" is really insulting. I'm surprised you can't see that.
I realized something... I want to ask such homophobes this question, "Would you harbour the same beliefs about wanting gays to have less rights if it wasn't for your religious convictions?"
Neither answer is very favourable, is it?
But when it's all said and done Rob, I am in favor of equal rights under the law for all citizens.
