(December 15, 2015 at 8:30 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(December 15, 2015 at 7:22 pm)Stimbo Wrote: The claim "there is no evidence" is not a typical one outside of theist strawmen. The claim, such as it is, that person x has not yet seen credible, compelling evidence, however, is.
Exactly!
I never say, "there is no evidence for the existence of a god". So, right off the bat, the OP is a straw man.
I always phrase it, "there is insufficient demonstrable evidence to support the existence of a god".
Anecdotal, personal revelation, ancient texts, philosophical arguments (Kalam, Ontological, teleological, TAG) could all be called 'evidence'. Just really, REALLY bad evidence for the type of claim they are meant to support.
You have to be an Olympian class 'special pleader' to consider those types of evidence sufficient for the existential claim for a god.
Well said, Simon.
I'm pleased to see someone finally admit that there IS evidence for the existence of God. It's like Obama finally saying the words, "Radical Islam". You have to be honest about things before they can be addressed effectively.
Between your post and those of Stimbo, I think we can agree at last that some evidence exists.
The evidence may not be sufficient to convince a specific person, but it may be more than enough to convince someone else.
Now, to begin the challenge of facing it head on...
