(January 15, 2016 at 7:10 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: People have various views of right or wrong, but the fact they have views of it, says they all believe there is right or wrong. Now obviously we aren't going about the right way to discover objectively what we ought to praise or condemn, but, for sure, people would not have the view of right or wrong without belief that objective moral facts exist.
And? How do you get from 'a belief' that objective morals exist, to evidence and knowledge that objective moral values exist. You seem entirely too eager to say that it appears that way, therefore it must be so. That doesn't follow.
A hypothetical. Your spouse told you to remind them to pay the phone bill. Your spouse claims that you forgot to remind them. You are certain that you did remind them. Based on belief, which one of you is correct? Or is it inconclusive? You can't claim that you just 'know' -- there are other opinions afoot. So how can you determine objectively what happened when your subjective beliefs differ? How do you get from subjective to objective?