RE: Did Jesus exist?
February 2, 2016 at 11:24 am
(This post was last modified: February 2, 2016 at 11:28 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 1, 2016 at 11:15 pm)Cecelia Wrote: It all comes down to some questions: Why include the crucifixion in the gospels? Now I'm no expert on the era, but from what I gather crucifixion would have been very shameful, and wouldn't have fit in with the idea of a Jewish Messiah. And it wouldn't have fit better with anyone else. Not just that, but why include Nazareth? Some scholars seem to believe that some the writers of the Gospels (whoever they were) were trying to fit their ideas of a messiah to a specific man. Which is why they included details that wouldn't have conformed to their ideas of the messiah.This is the embarrassing details defense. It seems important, informative. The trouble is that it isn't. It makes several fallacious appeals while begging the question. Not only -do- people include embarrassing details, we don;t really know what those particular people would consider embarrassing, and none of this means anything unless we assume that some portions of this narrative are historical in the first place...precisely what we are trying to determine.
Quote:Jesus as the gospels tell the story doesn't exist. A man named Jesus who was a doomsday preacher who was hung on a cross? Maybe. Scholars tend to accept his existence. Though so little is known about his existence or lacktherof that I'm not sure it matters that much. If he DID exist though, searching for details about him could reveal some things. I doubt we could ever (failing acquisition of a blue telephone box that travels through time and space) really know for certain.
Proponents of mj and lj don't have a problem with an -anyman- around which detail was built. That's a historical anyman, though, John Doe...not Historical Jesus.
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