RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 5, 2016 at 3:45 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2016 at 9:26 am by Edwardo Piet.)
@ Alex
No. 2 things and 2 things is the same thing as 4 things. 2 and 2 is the same as 4. 3 and 1 is also the same as 4.
@ Rhythm
You're talking about the concept of the law of identity rather than the law itself. The law itself is absolute. The fact that something is what it is is true regardless of whether we conceptualize that.
Regardless of what the other universes are: Whatever they are they will be whatever they are. That's the law of identity and that is true whether we exist to conceptualize it, or other beings exist in other universes to conceptualize it or not. It would be true even if no beings existed in any universe at all and if there was no such thing as concepts. Concepts don't have to exist for the absolute fact that we refer to when we conceptualize them to be true.
If no beings existed to conceptualize the law of identity at all it would be true by virtue of the truth of the law of identity (as opposed to the existence of the concept itself) and what it refers to (that something is what it is) that no beings would exist to conceptualize the law of identity. There would be no concept of the law of identity, no minds to speak of or refer to the law of identity... but it would still be the case that that was the case.
And no minds have to exist to say "two things and two things is the same as four things" for two things and two things to be the same as four things. 2+2 is 4 is the same in all universes. 2+2=4 is as absolute as 1=1 or A=A. You don't need to conceptualize the truth of what the concepts of those things refer to for the things that they refer to to be true.
No. 2 things and 2 things is the same thing as 4 things. 2 and 2 is the same as 4. 3 and 1 is also the same as 4.
@ Rhythm
You're talking about the concept of the law of identity rather than the law itself. The law itself is absolute. The fact that something is what it is is true regardless of whether we conceptualize that.
Regardless of what the other universes are: Whatever they are they will be whatever they are. That's the law of identity and that is true whether we exist to conceptualize it, or other beings exist in other universes to conceptualize it or not. It would be true even if no beings existed in any universe at all and if there was no such thing as concepts. Concepts don't have to exist for the absolute fact that we refer to when we conceptualize them to be true.
If no beings existed to conceptualize the law of identity at all it would be true by virtue of the truth of the law of identity (as opposed to the existence of the concept itself) and what it refers to (that something is what it is) that no beings would exist to conceptualize the law of identity. There would be no concept of the law of identity, no minds to speak of or refer to the law of identity... but it would still be the case that that was the case.
And no minds have to exist to say "two things and two things is the same as four things" for two things and two things to be the same as four things. 2+2 is 4 is the same in all universes. 2+2=4 is as absolute as 1=1 or A=A. You don't need to conceptualize the truth of what the concepts of those things refer to for the things that they refer to to be true.
