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I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
(November 17, 2016 at 3:45 pm)Mariosep Wrote: You see, dear readers here, atheists really do not care at all to get connected to the issue, God exists or not.
Absolutely false.  I spent about 2 years of my life honestly looking at this question.  This is a dishonest argument tactic where you pretend that we don't believe you, not because your argument is very bad, but because we are biased against you.  This is not true.

You see, there are different kinds of atheists.  I like to break them down into 2 general groups, but I'm sure there are likely more.  But the groups I'm concerned with for this conversation are the "thinkers" and the "just ares".

We'll start with the "just ares".  These are the people who "just are" atheist.  They haven't given it a lot of thought, they don't generally join atheist forums, they are not at all concerned about the argument over whether or not they are right.  They haven't given it much thought.  They just say, "I don't really believe, so I guess I'm an atheist".  These people "choose" to be atheists and are the most likely candidates to one day say, "I used to be an atheist..."

Then there are the "thinkers".  That's probably most of us here.  We did NOT "choose" to be atheists.  Atheism is not a choice we made.  I did not decide that I didn't want to follow God's rules, so I'm going to become an atheist.  I did not decide that I did not want to believe in God, so I would become an atheist.  In fact, I actually spent about two years of my life honestly looking into whether or not there was, specifically, a Christian God.  I did not decide there were no gods because I wanted to become an atheist.  I became an atheist because I come to the conclusion that there were no gods.  It's not a choice I made, it's a conclusion I reached.  There is no going back for me short of a miracle, and I do mean that in the very literal sense.  I would need to see a miracle of Biblical proportions to stop being an atheist.

So your claim that I don't want to even look into it is very uninformed, to say the least.  It is wrong.  I DID look into it.  I looked into it a LOT.  I read, I listened, I considered and I CONCLUDED that there were no gods.  You've come to be AFTER I came to that conclusion.  For me, the research is done, the results are in, I have my answer and the only way you are going to change that is with something new.  You're not going to trick me into believing with a clever "argument", which is very much what you are trying to do.  There is no argument that can "prove" anything.  Only proof can prove something.  You have no proof, so you try to pretend an argument is just as good.  It's not.  And THAT is the problem.  You have no proof.  It's not that I am refusing to consider.  It's not that I don't want it to be true.  It's that you have no proof, only pointless word-salad arguments which, even if air tight, would still not "prove" your beliefs.

But you can't accept the ACTUAL truth.  Your kind never can.  If I'm not convinced, in your mind, that's a problem with me, not with you or your arguments.  It always amazes me how people who think pride is a mortal sin are always too damned proud to admit that their argument sucks and instead blame anyone who doesn't agree with it.  You will NEVER convince ANYONE with these arguments who doesn't already believe.  That's a problem with the argument, not the people you're failing to convince.
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing? - by Asmodee - November 17, 2016 at 6:28 pm

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