RE: "Declared Clinically Dead"
February 6, 2017 at 12:59 pm
(This post was last modified: February 6, 2017 at 1:03 pm by RoadRunner79.)
(February 5, 2017 at 6:33 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(February 5, 2017 at 12:24 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So while you act like everyone who uses the term in this way are all idiots..... how are you saying the term should be defined, and do you have any support for that definition. I would encourage people to search for the meaning of clinical death here.The problem here is a conflation between something called "death" with actual death. In your case, it seems to be deliberate-- to show that there's mental experience after death. However, the clinical death we are talking about is not in fact death-- it's a near-death or death-like state.
And yet, I have made no arguments towards anything other, than the definition of clinical death. You say that the conflation seems deliberate on my part, and that I am trying to show something other than what I have said. This always seems to be a big problem here, and I think is an impediment to any logical or systematic discussion. The steps and individual arguments aren't considered as much as assumptions against the overall view.
But for your information, I am quite skeptical of NDE accounts as a whole, but I think there are better arguments, than trying to change the definitions of words and phrases to suit one's view.
As to conflating terms or trying to pull any type of bait in switch I don't think that seeing how you described it as near death and given what the acronym NDE stands for, that they are being very sly here.
(February 6, 2017 at 5:28 am)chimp3 Wrote:(February 5, 2017 at 12:24 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Ok.... you seem to disagree, with the majority of definitions of clinically dead, that are found online. What is your definition of clinically dead or what is the distinction that I am missing? Wikipedia even goes on to explain, some of the history of why the term was created:
So while you act like everyone who uses the term in this way are all idiots..... how are you saying the term should be defined, and do you have any support for that definition. I would encourage people to search for the meaning of clinical death here.
What you are missing is that at no point in the rescue procedure is "declared clinically dead" a consideration.
Are they declared to not have cardiac or respiratory activity..... no pupil response? Again, I would ask, what your definition of "clinically dead" is?
