(October 20, 2017 at 7:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(October 20, 2017 at 2:34 am)paulpablo Wrote: This is false.
The reason why there is a debate is purely because there's two opposing claims. The debate is whether or not sexuality is a choice.
No, it would have been more on the lines "it is not wrong if there is free-will or not free-will involved for certain, so why does it matter if free-will is involved in choice or not" and if people really felt strongly that if it is done by free-will as a factor, then it would not be evil, people would not care for the free-will factor at all.
The very fact they resort to making it an exception to free-will, shows they know it is wrong if free-will is a major factor and it comes down to a choice of the state of the person (even if a very long choice with many psychological factors).
And the question is really, how and why we know this. It is our knowledge of good and evil, and everything possible of free-will to choose and is evil, is in fact really actually possible for it to choose.
That is why I spoke about the story of people of Lut in Quran, because it puts into the worse context. A context where people were choosing this to the extent the society men became lustful towards men instead of women and began to justify other crimes.
I know no one accepts this story as probable or even historically possible, but it is no doubt philosophically possible. So the sin shown philosophically, going back the premises of what is rationally possible of free-will to do of evil, is in fact actually possible of free-will to do of evil.
I hope for an honest discussion but won't hold my breath!
How's this for honesty:
Just because your Quran, which was written by men hailing from one small portion of the planet, doesn't like two people of the same sex, having an intimate, sexual relationship, doesn't make it wrong.
Do some research on Native American Indians. They had same sex couples in their tribes all the time. It was as acceptable as two people of the opposite sex being in a relationship.
Different parts of the world. And the NAI didn't know your shit book or your shit god even existed. Homosexuality isn't wrong. Loving who you want to love isn't wrong. What's wrong is someone else dictating who other people are supposed to or allowed to love simply because said dictator is such a homophobic fucking asshole that he can't stand seeing two men or two women kiss. So - the dictator and his followers invent some stupid rules to outcast a certain group of people just because they can.
Stop being ignorant for once in your life and learn to accept that your stupid little book and your stupid little god are absolutely wrong.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand.
