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Illegal Immigrants
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RE: Illegal Immigrants
(June 23, 2018 at 12:48 pm)The Industrial Atheist Wrote:
(June 23, 2018 at 12:33 pm)henryp Wrote: IA, with the information that the US collects 12 billion a year from immigrants, what's the follow up question you should ask?
Why do Faux news and right wing politicians have bullshit talking points?

To be clear, I don't want open borders, but I also don't like it when people wrongfully stigmatize vast groups of people. Some sources have an interest in making undocumented immigrants appear to be lazy, useless takers, because they want the voters to hate them instead of the government that redistributes the wealth from the bottom to the top and fails to do it's job competently.

My followup question was "How much do the illegal immigrants cost the US?"  For example, if they cost 100 billion dollars, it's nice that many of them pay a bit of taxes, but it's a lot of trickery to frame them as a positive addition, if they are actually a negative.

Another complication, is who's paying that 12 billion.  Are they talking migrant workers from Mexico?  Or Asian IT workers overstaying their work visas?  

My real point being, that saying "Illegals pay in 12 billion a year in taxes, and 8%" is the most positive way to frame the issue.  But you should be interested in the information and context that isn't being presented, or is being buried at the end of the article.
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Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 23, 2018 at 8:42 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Foxaèr - June 23, 2018 at 8:46 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 23, 2018 at 8:56 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 9:04 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by brewer - June 23, 2018 at 8:55 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 23, 2018 at 10:21 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 23, 2018 at 10:31 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 23, 2018 at 11:09 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 11:46 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Industrial Atheist - June 23, 2018 at 12:02 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 23, 2018 at 12:33 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Industrial Atheist - June 23, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 23, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Industrial Atheist - June 23, 2018 at 1:34 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 2:52 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 23, 2018 at 3:22 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 4:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Angrboda - June 23, 2018 at 7:04 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 23, 2018 at 2:49 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 4:02 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 23, 2018 at 4:45 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 23, 2018 at 5:56 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 23, 2018 at 7:46 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Rev. Rye - June 23, 2018 at 9:43 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 23, 2018 at 12:36 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by GUBU - June 23, 2018 at 1:04 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 1:47 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Fireball - June 23, 2018 at 2:25 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Chad32 - June 23, 2018 at 10:25 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Industrial Atheist - June 23, 2018 at 11:12 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 23, 2018 at 1:03 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Losty - June 23, 2018 at 11:40 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 23, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 23, 2018 at 12:42 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2018 at 2:27 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 2:50 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 2:52 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2018 at 2:55 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 3:38 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 23, 2018 at 3:09 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by brewer - June 23, 2018 at 10:06 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 23, 2018 at 10:17 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 23, 2018 at 3:10 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 23, 2018 at 3:11 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 23, 2018 at 3:18 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 23, 2018 at 6:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 9:05 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 23, 2018 at 9:48 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 23, 2018 at 10:38 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 23, 2018 at 11:35 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 2:13 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 24, 2018 at 3:45 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 4:04 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 24, 2018 at 4:09 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 24, 2018 at 8:18 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 23, 2018 at 11:52 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 24, 2018 at 5:43 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 24, 2018 at 10:39 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 24, 2018 at 11:06 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 24, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LadyForCamus - June 24, 2018 at 2:13 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mr.wizard - June 24, 2018 at 1:47 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 23, 2018 at 9:22 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 23, 2018 at 9:25 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 23, 2018 at 10:43 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 24, 2018 at 2:20 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 2:24 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 2:40 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 6:51 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by downbeatplumb - June 24, 2018 at 4:15 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by WinterHold - June 24, 2018 at 7:11 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Angrboda - June 24, 2018 at 8:17 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by WinterHold - June 24, 2018 at 8:30 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Angrboda - June 24, 2018 at 8:45 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by WinterHold - June 24, 2018 at 12:49 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 8:48 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by FlyingNarwhal - June 24, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Angrboda - June 24, 2018 at 5:14 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2018 at 2:01 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Cecelia - June 24, 2018 at 3:22 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 3:25 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by LastPoet - June 24, 2018 at 4:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 24, 2018 at 5:07 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 6:06 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 24, 2018 at 6:14 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 7:41 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Cecelia - June 25, 2018 at 12:01 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 7:52 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 8:27 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 8:32 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 9:47 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 24, 2018 at 9:50 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 24, 2018 at 10:21 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 24, 2018 at 11:53 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Ravenshire - June 25, 2018 at 1:07 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Joods - June 25, 2018 at 5:08 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 25, 2018 at 9:38 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 10:40 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 10:47 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 11:14 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 11:25 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 11:34 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 11:41 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 11:50 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 11:59 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Fake Messiah - June 25, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 25, 2018 at 5:19 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 5:23 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 25, 2018 at 5:39 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 25, 2018 at 5:50 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 26, 2018 at 8:52 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 26, 2018 at 3:06 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 26, 2018 at 4:28 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 26, 2018 at 9:45 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 27, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 27, 2018 at 11:58 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 27, 2018 at 12:12 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by RoadRunner79 - June 27, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 27, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 12:04 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 12:19 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 12:32 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 25, 2018 at 9:20 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 25, 2018 at 12:31 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Minimalist - June 25, 2018 at 1:46 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 4:11 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Aroura - June 25, 2018 at 11:10 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Joods - June 25, 2018 at 9:48 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 25, 2018 at 10:04 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Joods - June 25, 2018 at 10:25 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by henryp - June 25, 2018 at 8:26 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 10:23 am
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 2:03 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 2:16 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 4:51 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Angrboda - June 25, 2018 at 5:47 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Brian37 - June 25, 2018 at 5:57 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 7:36 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 8:06 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 8:16 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 8:46 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 8:58 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 25, 2018 at 9:56 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 9:59 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 25, 2018 at 8:34 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 26, 2018 at 3:10 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Amarok - June 26, 2018 at 10:14 pm
RE: Illegal Immigrants - by Mister Agenda - June 27, 2018 at 12:41 pm

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