RE: Former agnostic, now Christian
September 19, 2011 at 5:17 pm
(This post was last modified: September 19, 2011 at 5:20 pm by Cyberman.)
Sorry if I'm throwing this thread into reverse, just trying to catch up.
Not only ignorant, but also highly arrogant.
Yes, me too, seeing that many branches of science owe their very existences to the principle of evolution. It's the reason why medical science can treat things such as diabetes and urinary tract infections, while faith and praying... doesn't.
Sorry, Lucent, (and welcome aboard, by the way) but evolution has been known about since the time of the Ancient Greeks; though the precise mechanism hadn't been discovered until Charles Darwin's day, people have known enough about how it works to produce all the varieties of fruit and veg, not to mention different breeds of animals, that we take for granted today. Bananas must get a special mention here as one of the most spectacularly embarrassing creationist own goals in history.
You claim not to ignore facts and then promptly disregard anything that doesn't fit the conclusion you have already drawn. Yet you seemed so specific in your initial posts. Surely if whatever converted you into any religious position was so convincing you could... in fact, if it's that life-changing you most certainly would... present it without hesitation. It was clearly something of immense importance to you; what's the harm in sharing? If it's as irrefutable as you claim, then surely it'll withstand any criticism we poor godless heathens might throw at it.
Or perhaps you aren't as certain in your faith as you think?
(September 18, 2011 at 5:15 pm)frankiej Wrote: you still can't discard the possibility of a hallucination, it would be ignorant to do so.
Not only ignorant, but also highly arrogant.
(September 19, 2011 at 9:07 am)Zen Badger Wrote:(September 17, 2011 at 3:22 am)lucent Wrote: I don't ignore facts, I think my faith in God is reasoned and reasonable. I was a proponent of evolution when I became a Christian, and I assumed at the time that Genesis wasn't literal and that there had been some sort of guided evolution which had taken place. I was suprised to learn, when I actually investigated evolution, that it was predicated on a number of unproven assumptions, and that there wasn't a shred of real evidence that it actually happened. I had always assumed that it was true, as it was taught to me as fact, but upon investigation it doesn't hold up.
I'm sure we would all be interested to hear what these unproven assumptions are and what your investigation consisted of.
Yes, me too, seeing that many branches of science owe their very existences to the principle of evolution. It's the reason why medical science can treat things such as diabetes and urinary tract infections, while faith and praying... doesn't.
Sorry, Lucent, (and welcome aboard, by the way) but evolution has been known about since the time of the Ancient Greeks; though the precise mechanism hadn't been discovered until Charles Darwin's day, people have known enough about how it works to produce all the varieties of fruit and veg, not to mention different breeds of animals, that we take for granted today. Bananas must get a special mention here as one of the most spectacularly embarrassing creationist own goals in history.
You claim not to ignore facts and then promptly disregard anything that doesn't fit the conclusion you have already drawn. Yet you seemed so specific in your initial posts. Surely if whatever converted you into any religious position was so convincing you could... in fact, if it's that life-changing you most certainly would... present it without hesitation. It was clearly something of immense importance to you; what's the harm in sharing? If it's as irrefutable as you claim, then surely it'll withstand any criticism we poor godless heathens might throw at it.
Or perhaps you aren't as certain in your faith as you think?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
