RE: Atheists who announce "I'm good without god"
October 3, 2018 at 12:57 pm
(This post was last modified: October 3, 2018 at 1:38 pm by GrandizerII.)
(October 2, 2018 at 3:02 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(October 2, 2018 at 2:43 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Oh, how cute. A link and a couple of statements that don't address what I'm asking you.
Are you going to get to the juicy bits yet? Or you're stalling or what?
Give me a good reason why beating your wife (or your wife beating you) is really wrong?
The moral argument is not about how you know what is really wrong, but there are some or even one thing that is actually wrong. It's not about showing that beating your wife is wrong, in fact, I'm kind of assuming that we agree on that point. It's about ontology not epistemology. So yes, I am avoiding the parts that are not pertinent to what I was discussing. I don't want to go down rabbit trails.
You're doing that typical RR dodge again.
If there is no good reason that "this and that" are wrong, then to say that "this and that" are wrong is arbitrary. Such is not a morality worth having. If (on the other hand) there is a good reason, then your god isn't needed after all.
In your eyes, your favorite god may have decreed moral truths, but it doesn't make him the best explanation for objective morality because asserting your god doesn't explain why something is morally wrong.
This is not to say there aren't any philosophical problems when it comes to [secular] morality and ethics, but your god proposal doesn't actually solve these problems in any meaningful way, and it has its own problems that it suffers from, which theists have yet to effectively address.
(October 3, 2018 at 1:23 am)Deesse23 Wrote:(October 2, 2018 at 8:15 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: In addition, with God as the moral authority, it is not arbitrary, as morality is based on God's nature, which is unchanging and maximally great.
#1 You know gods nature? Tell us more please about it, and how you know about it.
#2 His nature is unchanging? How comes he changed his mind so often as recorded in the bible?
#3 If gods nature is unchanging and authoritative, then please explain his unchanging, authoritative moral view on slavery. Do you agree with him that a human being should be able to own another human being as property?
Don't you know, Deesse? God has always considered slavery to be wrong, but he was too concerned for the OT Israelites that he didn't want to deprive them of slaves, so he let them have slaves for their own wellbeing because that's how caring God is.
Oh, and at least God ordained a humane form of slavery in those days, not like the secular American type of slavery!
