On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[possibletarian]

Logic is sufficient to determine the existence of God; faith is unnecessary.

And who declares logic as logic ?

It's not difficult to see that creating something from nothing is clearly impossible,

How do you know it was nothing ?

therefore a being capable of performing impossible tasks must have created everything.

They are not impossible if they can be created or come about.

There are plenty of other reasons. The practical impossibility of the random creation of a single protein, or the even more distant (if such a thing can even be quantified) probability of functional DNA...

I think we have had a whole thread that rather casts doubt on that argument, declaring DNA as god created is nothing more than a deceleration of faith.

the amazing symmetry and design found in nature despite entropy...the reasons supporting the existence of God are practically endless.

And yet you still fail to show that a single one is anything more than a faith statement.  Declaring 'god did it' because we don't understand it is simply not proof of anything.

The reasons for denying His existence are literally zero

It's not so much denying as waiting for proof, show me the proof and what choice will we have but to put our denial aside ?

so long as one has the correct arguments. You can argue which God He is, but only the Christian God aligns perfectly with the correct arguments.

What arguments ?
  

Good question. Walking in Truth is walking with Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean one has all of the answers, it means that one doesn't have to have all of the answers because he or she has the Solution to all problems, Jesus Christ. It's not about knowledge, it's about looking to God instead of to yourself. It's not really an "achievement," it's something that happens by the grace of God alone. It's a gift.

That's just gobbledygook, a none answer, how can it be declared truth with no way to measure that truth ? Again nothing but a faith statement.

Well, the answer here is partly faith, but I've never seen the Truth contradicted. The Truth always prevails, because it's true. You'll know when you see it because it makes itself evident in the same way God's existence is evident. It will resonate with you.

Again gobbledygook, how do you separate self deception from truth ?  It seems you believe, because you believe.

Again, partly faith, but I've never seen anyone successfully contradict the Truth.

You mean change you mind, you have yet to provide a way to measure the truth of what you believe. That doesn't involve simply believing it's true.

Of course, there are very few people living today who know the Truth, and an abundance of those claiming to know but who are more or less clueless.

But again you have yet to answer how you know it to be truth, aside from statements of faith which you self believe.  

Sorry to repeat myself, but again, faith and the fact that I've never seen the Truth successfully contradicted.

Well as we have seen faith can get you to any position, how do you know for instance that the arguments you believe to be true (and therefore cannot be successfully refuted) are simply faith, you've already admitted here that almost every answer contains an element of faith, belief in things you cannot prove.
 

People certainly despise the Truth, but they're unable to defeat it.

I've seen flat earthers declare victory the same way, again if you say every answer is part faith, how do you know your faith is truth.

I'm not saying faith begets faith, although this isn't entirely false. Faith begins with grace. There is nothing one can do to earn it; it's a gift, as Paul writes in Ephesians:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God..." (Ephesians 2:8)

How do you know a book written by men can be trusted ?

I just wanted to address this part, since I sort of skipped it. Your language is a bit choppy here, but it seems you're saying that people stop what they are doing when they recognize their wrongdoing.  This isn't true. People tend to shrug off their wrongdoings, figuring it either isn't a big deal or that they'll do better next time, both of which are faulty assumptions in most cases. Wrongdoing is always serious, and we're incapable of refraining from evil completely in our own power. Only the grace and power of God can keep people from sinning.

And yet a quick look at the news, even just this day  will tell you it does not.

Why would you need proof before any useful repentance if faith is what is required? And if you don't currently have faith, that isn't necessarily a problem. It only means that you don't yet have it. It's a gift, and gifts are given at appropriate times. First, God needs to bring you to a place of true spiritual brokenness, where you're genuinely seeking Him because you genuinely want to repent, not because you desire power or glory or knowledge, or because you just want a better life (wanting a better life is part of it, I'm just saying it shouldn't be the only reason).

Again gobbledygook, why would you repent to a god who's existence is unproven ?

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To be clear, I'm talking about my personal faith here, not God's existence, which I've addressed prior to this post. And I didn't say I can't be wrong. Simply because the Lord has given me confirmations that I'm not wrong doesn't exclude the possibility that I am, it merely means He has provided me with confirmations that have strengthened my faith in Him. There is a difference.

How do you know they are not simply in your head, or simply a faith position , how do you go about determining that on balance they are probably correct ?

Vague answers aren't very helpful. I said "most" people are still searching for God, not that "all" are. If you're an atheist, then I suppose it's probable that your search has ended, at least for the time being. But I think many atheists are still searching, even if they pretend otherwise. I could be wrong,

Despite many atheists telling you that you are wrong about this, how do you justify your belief that they are ?

but it seems odd to me that places such as this exist. Why are you and others so interested in discussing the non-existence of God? What is your aim? To make yourselves feel better? To save others from what exactly, the comfort that believing in something beyond this horrible world provides? Not exactly a noble pursuit, if so.

I think you will find challenging faith positions is also a pastime of believers when they concern other gods and faiths too. The discussions here are reactions to what we see as ludicrous statements made by believers. That and a reaction to what we see in the news.

Maybe you have decent reasons, or at least reasons you believe to be decent, but I know that everyone puts on a front at some point in their life, and that atheism is never justified.

Why would you have to justify a lack of belief in either a god, or many gods ?

Perhaps not according to your standards, but I'm not here to operate by those.

Yes you operate by faith, which has been pointed out can get anyone to any crackpot idea.

So what? Would you consider the words of someone who claimed to be uncertain more seriously? Am I supposed to pretend to be uncertain in order to get your attention?

There are many people certain of many things, why take any seriously without proof ? Should we take a person who seriously believes superman exists the same as someone who is uncertain, even dismissive ?

Perhaps it's my fault for not being clearer here, but I think my previous posts addressed this fairly adequately. I don't consider the existence of God to have anything to do with faith.

Really ?

His existence is perfectly logical to anyone who has given it due consideration. If you've given it due consideration and are still unable to come to the same conclusion

So ''if you don't believe the same as me, you either are blind, or have been blinded'' isn't that the claim of every religion and or crackpot ?

then He has blinded you.

Yes perfectly logical, the god who loves me so much as to die for me, then blinds me

When I speak of faith, I speak of my faith in Who God is, that He is Yahweh, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Where did you get this information from ?