On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[possibletarian]

You asked for reason, not proof. And actually, I'd say that the extant tissue of dinosaurs is proof enough. No one knows how it survived millions of years; do you?

Fair enough, I'm asking for proof now, do you have any to support your original claim that dinosaurs lived a few thousand years ago ?

Do you really believe that the finds of soft tissues support your case,  no one doing the research into this has has revised the age that Dinosaurs lived in, why are you ?  Even Mary Schweitzer a devout christian and leader in this research is disgusted by the way that YEC's have used this information.

Meanwhile, Schweitzer’s research has been hijacked by “young earth” creationists, who insist that dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years. They claim her discoveries support their belief, based on their interpretation of Genesis, that the earth is only a few thousand years old. Of course, it’s not unusual for a palaeontologist to differ with creationists. But when creationists misrepresent Schweitzer’s data, she takes it personally: she describes herself as “a complete and total Christian.”

Citation:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n...115306469/

If you don't know what you're talking about, it would be best if you not comment at all. Leviathan and Behemoth are simply names of creatures that seem to resemble dinosaurs.

Leviathan
(in biblical use) a sea monster, identified in different passages with the whale and the crocodile (e.g. Job 41, Ps. 74:14), and with the Devil (after Isa. 27:1).

Behemoth
an animal, perhaps the hippopotamus, mentioned in Job 40:15–24.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/behemoth

Not dinosaur like at all, where are you getting your descriptions from ?

They are not treated as mythical creatures in the story.

Correct, my bad they are described like everyday animals we recognise today.

Neither did Yahweh battle Leviathan for control of the sea. Where did you come up with this stuff? Ever actually read the Bible?

The belief in huge creatures that inhabited the deep was widespread throughout the ancient world. In the Old Testament there are several allusions to a primordial combat between God and a monstrous adversary variously named Leviathan or Rahab. Although the references to Leviathan usually indicate a dragon-like creature, the name has also been used to denote a sea monster in general
https://www.britannica.com/topic/sea-serpent#ref280397

Psalm 74:14

If you had, you'd understand that the creatures with mixed features appeared in visions, obviously intended as metaphorical and not to represent actual animals.

Then why have them at all ? what are they a metaphor for exactly, they are ridiculous creatures. Why not just speak plainly, you are after claiming a god inspired the writers, why all the nonsense. ?

As for unicorns, seems to be an incorrect translation of the original Hebrew word. Could mean many things, I'm not claiming to know but you're obviously not a source that can be trusted.

Well the bible quotes them, is that reliable enough ?
Won't your god give at least one of you wisdom to interpret it ?  

Who are you to determine who "leaders in the field" are? Are you a geologist? What is your expertise?

Well I would start with accredited scientific institutions, and then the scientific consensus perhaps, To say that a person must be an expert in a particular field to see who university's and accredited scientific institutions listen to is silly.
I actually work in aerodynamics, and work for a major sports car company designing Formula race cars.

And sure, I can point to people at the Institute for Creation Research who are experts in all kinds of disciplines, doctorates and all. How do you know they're not leaders in their fields?

Hang on you believe that a society that is dedicated (by it's own admission) to deny scientific knowledge, no matter the source or the expertise or credibility of its proposers, if it disagrees with the bible as a reliable source.

Show me those considered the leaders in their fields in the scientific community who work there perhaps, have you any names and their work ?

The truth is that creation scientists are maligned and ridiculed constantly,

I agree, and this does not give you pause for thought ?

and it actually takes a lot of courage to stand up and speak against the status quo. They do it because they have good reason, and at the very least you should be able to acknowledge that their claims have credibility.

Well as i say, I would have to look at any particular claim and test it against the claims of other scientists and accredited university studies perhaps, then at least I could get an idea.  

That is why it's a statement of belief. They're actually speaking from a point of humility that you and others here would do well to try and emulate.

What's humble about accepting something that you know you cannot give consideration because of your pre conceived beliefs, you tak as though that should be a credit to them.

We know very little, have proven time and time again how little we know, and therefore it makes much sense to trust the Word of God above specious theories like evolution.

Why, creationism ( I mean Y.E.C in this case) really does seem to be nonsense, there are so many ways it fails and why so many do not believe it. what makes you assert it's the word of a god, wouldn't a divinely inspired account of the earth fit in with what we find ?
There really is no reason at all why the findings of science and a truth declared by god would be any different in a world that god created.

Semantics. By flesh I mean "tissue." You're being deliberately, or at least very obviously, obtuse.

Actually no, finding 'hanging flesh' and 'tissues' are very different things, one is on the outside of the body the other found in the inside of the bones and in very rare cases, hopefully more will be found to allow us to increase our knowledge of the past.  As already noted even the scientists finding this have not revised their age that dinosaurs lived in as a result of this.

Honestly, how damned stupid can you get? You don't even know what your own argument is!

I see your 'Peace which passeth all understanding'' is a bit shaky here, lets try and help each other out a bit and go back to your original claim and see if I'm correct, how's that sound?  Let's see if we can clear this up instead of getting all upset.

I understood you claimed that Yahweh or your god is the earliest god mentioned in archaeology,  that in your claim is that all other gods come after (in archaeological finds) , is this in fact correct ?

If not then please correct me.

Hope to hear from you soon

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Ah... I see we're now at the 'Pin jelly to the wall' phase of MileAbbot81's ineractions.

Mile's make a post.

People reply.

Mile's then scoffs and/or complains that people didn't understand... Or misrepresented... Or are trying to twist Mile's words.

People respond to that.

Mile's then scoffs and/or complains that people didn't understand... Or misrepresented... Or are trying to twist Mile's words.

Lets see how many rounds the rodeo goes.




Not at work.

Happens all the time.

Phase 1: I come here with great humility
Phase 2: You don't understand, god tells me stuff and reveals his will to me.
phase 3: You are deliberately avoiding the truth, I have the truth given to me by god
phase 4: god is hiding the truth from you (Though I'm not sure how avoiding the truth and god hiding it from a person fits)
phase 5 : you will all find out one way.. the anger of god awaits you (add insult or hissy fit of your choice)

It matters not the religion, it all follows a very (and scarily) similar pattern