(March 31, 2023 at 2:38 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(March 31, 2023 at 9:38 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: I am curious. From which book are you getting those lines from?
Also, if it was you, wouldn’t you ask Jesus about his mission rather than just deciding “Let me go and tell the cops where Jesus is located.”
Again, I’ll ask. If Jesus points to you and tells you are going to betray him, would you betray him?
Does it make sense that Judas just ignores that at the supper and just goes on with his betrayal?
Would Judas or you just ignore it? You wouldn’t talk about it at all with Jesus?
The book is called The Desire of Ages. I mention it because it's a very old and central book within the Adventist church. These are beliefs that have been held about Judas since the mid 1800s at least.
As to whether or not it makes sense for Judas to continue his plan after being called out, I would say it does. Betrayal, by it's very nature, requires that you are betrayed by someone you trust or have a close relationship with. The closeness of the relationship maps directly onto the magnitude of the betrayal.
So questions like, why did a man cheat on his wife instead of talking with her about it first, are just questions that won't have a satisfying answer. They cheated, and that in itself is the answer.
So would Judas just ignore Jesus? Yes. That's why it's a betrayal.
OK, it is more in the category of Fan Fiction.
It isn't talking about actual history.
A man cheating on his wife is different. Humans are everywhere. There is evidence that humans exist.
Also, the wife is not claiming to be the daughter of god, she hasn’t demonstrated that she has magical powers.
In the case of Jesus, the claim is that he is god and also maybe he is the son of god or maybe he is not god.... whatever your particular flavor of christian claims.
So, Judas was in the presence of the jewish god or his right hand man (The Son) and he decides to go ahead with the betrayal even when he calls him out on it?
So, Judas is either incredibly stupid but I would say, more than likely, the story is a fabrication. The Bible is not a history book. It is primarily a religious book and I think the bar is set very low when it comes to sticking to the facts.