(April 1, 2023 at 2:42 am)Belacqua Wrote:(April 1, 2023 at 12:46 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: So, how does this happen? How does Judas sell his good friend, this good guy named Jesus, who goes around and spends his time bringing people to life, casts out demons, heals the sick and also Jesus is god.
You are asking the questions that the text invites you to ask. So that's a start.
Since you're aware that people are adept at justifying bad behavior, it shouldn't be difficult to accept that a person could justify this action as well. People have been offering explanations for Judas's decision for close to two millennia, so you could read some of those, I guess. None is definitive, but as a myth intended to prompt discussions about ethics none needs to be definitive.
If you think that the NT is just made up stories (all of it), then fine. If you think the goal is to just have ethical discussions, then fine.
You just used the word myth, which I assume means “fake story”.
If your conclusion is a myth, if you think that it is just a story for the sake of having a discussion, then I think you have a wonderful view of it.
You have previously said that you don’t believe in the jewish god and it looks like, you are not in the category of a worshiper.
I was treating it as a factual story bc believers think of it as factual.
If it is all facts, then it needs to make sense.
Quote:And I think everyone agrees that Judas made a stupid choice.
I doubt that there are any christians who would say that Judas made an intelligent choice.
I was talking about how unrealistic this portion of the story is.
My conclusion is that the Judas story doesn’t make sense and it indicates that the story is fake.
It isn’t just this part of the story, but the entire set that has problems.
Quote:I don't know why it would be important that the same situation appears in other religions. There are similarities and differences among all of them.
And I think everyone agrees that Judas made a stupid choice.
Different religions talk about the behavior of gods, what they do, the behavior of humans and what they do.
I am curious how many religions have a character that betrays a god and gets the god killed for a few dollars.
Quote:Have you read any serious fiction?
No, I don’t have time for that but if you have an important point to make, you can quote a section of text and make your point.
Quote:That is one of the main purposes of the Bible, yes.
That is certainly possible. The goal is to tell the reader why they exist, what their purpose in life is, how to live in jewish society and the rules of jewish society is decided by the jewish god.
Does the Bible tell women who they are?
Quote:Right, you keep running into this because the majority of educated Christians in history have been very comfortable with non-literal readings.
Neo-Scholastic and John 6IX are comfortable with non-literal readings, for at least some of the Bible. Which Christians on this forum demand nothing but literalism?
If someone is a christian, then he believes in some portions of the story are factual and so, they have a literal reading of the text, right?
Or are they christian and also they believe 100% of the entire Bible is a set of fake stories?
Maybe they believe that Jesus is not the son of god, that Jesus is not god. Maybe they believe that Jesus didn’t exist or maybe he is just an ordinary human and never did magic.
I don’t know what exactly Neo-Scholastic and John 6IX believe. That is what I want to find out.
Quote:Which Christians on this forum demand nothing but literalism?
Which christians believe that the entire Bible is myth?
Quote:People have been offering explanations for Judas's decision for close to two millennia, so you could read some of those
I bet they do. A lot of christians have a hard time with the Bible since the story doesn’t make sense.
Some of them even dump the OT god because he is such a jerk and pretend that Jesus is the true god.
Whether they are literalists or non-literalists, I do not know, but they take their god and these stories very seriously.