(January 6, 2012 at 1:14 pm)amkerman Wrote: - You do know that definition is the most passive aggressive load of horseshit regardless of whether or not it's found in a dictionary or not right?That's too fucking bad because that's the definition of the term.
The very definition commits the fallacy of invincible ignorance.
Atheists do not believe in god or religion. They reject the claims of religion. That is itself neither a belief nor a positive claim and you don't get to piss and moan about it just because it doesn't fit the definition you prefer.
Further, your fallacy is inappropriate.
(January 6, 2012 at 1:14 pm)amkerman Wrote: If you are aware of an idea, regardless of what that idea is, you are automatically forced to form beliefs about it. It's unavoidable.That's not how beliefs work. I take it you reject the definition of what constitutes a "Belief" too?
(January 6, 2012 at 1:14 pm)amkerman Wrote: - by the mere fact that you have been introduced to the idea of God you have formed a belief about it. You either believe God exists, believe God does not exist, or believe in the possibility of God but are unsure of God's existence or non-existence.Bullshit. I have a reason to reject the idea the god exists. I have no reason to believe that god exists, so I don't.
Your attempt to catagorically tell us that we have a belief in one idea or the other as thought they are equivelent is flat out wrong and based on so many false presuppositions that I could write a novel about it.
(January 6, 2012 at 1:14 pm)amkerman Wrote: Those are the only three options you have regarding God's existence, because you are aware of the idea of God.False Dichonomy.
(January 6, 2012 at 1:14 pm)amkerman Wrote: What is even more interesting is that so many of you "atheists" believe in observable physical reality, which is predicated on a belief in "God". Think for yourselves, and think critically. But first, learn how to think correctly.That's cute. No, as an atheist, I don't 'believe' in reality. Reality is here, regardless of whether or not I believe it to be. Now you're just being ridiculous.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
