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Nationalism and secularism
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RE: Nationalism and secularism
Quote:Actually I do know why, because the criteria we choose to decide inclusion or exclusion on the basis of ethnicity is illusory, and built atop a massive pile of bullshit.
Well, you don't know, since you obviously disregard that the world is split into nation states based on...ethnic associations.
There are only few nations which have built a seperate identity while sharing the same ethnicity, mostly due to their religion: Pakistanis, Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats, these are just a few amongst the large amounts of nation states based on ethnic associations.

Massive pile of bullcrap indeed. I think that the massive pile of bullshit takes place in the parts you live in. It has found it's way into your head, as it seems.
Quote:The notion of ethnicity isn't lost in my "mixed blood" (and this statement is hilarity in and of itself, your blood is as "mixed" as my own, which is to say, not at all, we're both equally human)
If it isn't lost, why do you have such a hard time in understanding the concept? You just can't figure out why the concept exists, and therefore, label it as an illusion, whereas it is far from being an illusion.
My blood is quite pure, I will not tell you about my glorious ancestry and the exact criteria which deems it to be pure.

Being human is...well, is like being human. Everyone is born human. But not everyone is born a Turk. You are not born a Turk.
Quote: I am both proud and ashamed of the actions of all of my various "ethnicities".
Yeah, I wonder how you manage to do that... You don't speak their languages, you don't know anything about their culture, you do not live amongst them, how can you really state that you are proud, or ashamed of being OF them? You're nothing but the result of an artifical social construct, the American identity.The only real distinction you put between people is therefore the "colour of the skin", black, white, yellow and red.
Not german, italian, japanese, chinese, bantu or somali.
For you, a bantu and somali are equally "black", therefore you refer to Obama as "black" while his mother was actually white.
Things are too superficial and simple for you people. Maybe they have been simplified for you so that you can actually make some sort of sense as your short existence as a *nation*.
Quote:No specific one of my ancestors deserves any respect on the basis of their ethnicity, and no rights are conferred by any given ethnicity to which I am a party.
Well, by living in the US, and being of mixed blood, I can think why you would not exalt a single line of your ancestors while dismissing the other.
People cannot defy their blood. So can't I. I have no other stream within my veins but the Turk, for that purpose, I only exalt the Turk above the others, with whom I share no connection. You maybe share so many connections that you don't know what to do with them. As you cannot connect with a specific one, you rather use a collective term, *human*, to describe yourself, which is way, way too collective, as I see little similarities between you and me besides being of the same species.

Quote:Your views and my own are irreconcilable here, and I honestly couldn't care less how dark your heart might be in this regard, as long as you don't bring that bullshit out into the world (as would be the case with your notions of "Turan").
If I would not share these views with the world, why would I hold them?
One day, we shall form Turan. At that day, this black heart of mine will shine with a bright light.
Quote:At that point, it's pass the ammunition and eliminate the tyranny that exists within the desires of men that the ignorant seem incapable of containing within themselves.
Read the first page, if you will, to see how my vision is the quite opposite of what you would believe it to be.
But I think that your self-indocrination has given you a false concept of the moral upper hand over people such as me. This is why you automatically diss the idea of Turan, even though you and your parts of the world are rather irrelevant to what we hold in regard for our own future, not for yours.
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Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 15, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Tobie - April 15, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 15, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Reforged - April 15, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Tobie - April 15, 2012 at 3:18 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 15, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Tobie - April 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 16, 2012 at 4:53 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Tobie - April 16, 2012 at 5:07 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by frankiej - April 16, 2012 at 6:50 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 16, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Tobie - April 17, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 17, 2012 at 12:54 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Tobie - April 17, 2012 at 4:28 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 17, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Tobie - April 17, 2012 at 5:06 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 17, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 6:16 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 17, 2012 at 6:46 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 6:51 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 17, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 17, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 17, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2012 at 9:38 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 18, 2012 at 10:00 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2012 at 10:31 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 18, 2012 at 10:42 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2012 at 10:56 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 18, 2012 at 11:59 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 18, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2012 at 1:16 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 18, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 18, 2012 at 6:17 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Anomalocaris - April 18, 2012 at 9:13 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 19, 2012 at 5:44 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Creed of Heresy - April 19, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 19, 2012 at 8:40 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 19, 2012 at 8:53 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2012 at 9:05 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 19, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Creed of Heresy - April 20, 2012 at 9:11 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2012 at 2:42 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 19, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2012 at 6:46 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Creed of Heresy - April 20, 2012 at 7:36 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 20, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by Creed of Heresy - April 21, 2012 at 7:12 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 21, 2012 at 11:17 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 22, 2012 at 10:46 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 22, 2012 at 9:05 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 22, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by kılıç_mehmet - April 22, 2012 at 1:41 pm
RE: Nationalism and secularism - by The Grand Nudger - April 22, 2012 at 2:19 pm

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