Nationalism and secularism

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The many cultures and ethnicities that came together in this melting pot is exactly what it means to be American.

This is what I said.

Turkey is also a melting pot,

Turkey is a nation state built on an ethnic identity, unlike America.

You clearly don't have any idea of just how easy it is to pin down this or that "American" thing to it's ethnicity of origin.

And where does this lead you to?

We didn't abandon where we came from, we combined them all, and we now have pride in all of them collectively.

I don't think so. I think you created a new culture while taking parts from various other cultures brought in by immigrants, like foodstuffs and you tell me that you're proud of them "collectively", whereas there is probably no real culture to speak of at all. Those who live in ethnic enclaves, such as chinatowns may have preserved their identity far better than those who live in mixed regions, but I'm not sure how a single Turkish immigrant can actually contribute to the overall cultural accumulation of the US in any way other than by selling döner. Even if we continue to live in America for further generations, our culture will still be considered *foreign* by the Europe-centric cultural affiliations that the US has. However, it's still too superficial. The only cultural aspect the the US has, is the aspect of the so-called American dream. Nearly all your cultural events are somewhat directed towards this concept.
There is no collective of cultures in America, there is the destruction of cultures, tongues and peoples. Therefore it's a melting pot, not a salad bowl.

Sometimes too much, there are "American" things which are most likely nothing to be proud of.

Like? McDonalds? Disneyworld? Baseball? What really comes to your mind when you think of something "American"?
It really baffles me that you can even compare your culture to our grand culture that spans over the Asian continent.

The same is true of your own culture, whether you like to think about it or not (clearly you don't, you just maintain that these things never happened, we've been here before, that's a head-in-the-sand sort of pride).

Whatever you said above are not correct for the Turkish culture.

The "american identity" is a construct, and so is your "turkish identity". You have one set of rules for everyone else's identity and then a different set for your own? Again, garbage.

The american identity is a social construct. Our identity comes from our blood and history. When we think of our identity, we think of Motun Tanyu. We think of Bilge Khan, we think of Bashbugh Attila, we think of Ulugh Beg, we think of Evliya Chelebi, we think of the great archivements, conquests and expansions of the past. Our history and our blood is what creates our consciousness.
Your consciousness is created by your desires. The american dream. To be rich, to be famous, to own a Wii, to own an HD television, to own a car, home and other sorts of property. To make money in wall street. You are a heavily cosmopolitan society, your traditions and whatever culture that was responsible for the foundation of your country is lost to you. This is what capitalism has done for you, to shift your focus from cultural, intellectual and historical aspects to simply monetary and pragmatist aspects.
This is why family values, social welfare and general morality is in decline in your country.

The rest of this is likely to be a family fairy tale. Go get sequenced with your new-found wealth? How do you know what languages I can speak?

Of course, the one who has no such consciousness is likely to diss every proof I can provide as family fairy tales. Again, my views are strengthened by your posts. The ones of mixed blood despise the pure ones, and consistently try to insult family traditions and heritages by claiming that they are false. Don't worry. The same rings true for your counterparts in my country.

Pro-tip, you don't, and pro-tip...I can. Bullshit again

If you can, good for you.
But still does not disprove my point.

I actually refer to our president as "American", you're projecting. He's about as "black" as I am "white".

Ah, you do? And I can tell you that blacks probably vote for him because he's black, and some whites don't vote for him because he's not white.
No black refuses to vote for him because his mother is white, no white decides not to vote against him because his mother is white.
Hmmph. You are a nation of simplistic and superficial people.

Your vision of "Turan" is exactly what I perceive it to be, you just don't like to call it such because you have a special set of rules for whatever your own ethnicity does or deems it's "rights".

Yes, these are our rights by claims of history, blood and might.
If you want to contest these rights, provide your proof that you deserve the lands of Turan more than we do. Then we decide if it comes to blows.