Nationalism and secularism

[kılıç_mehmet]

The formation of a fascist nation along purely ethnic lines

The nation will be a Turkist state. Besides, on which lines do you propose we form this nation?
Along you lines?
No thanks. Besides, our current nation was also formed along purely ethnic lines. That's why it's name is Turkey, I mind you. Same goes for the rest of the nation states around the earth.

unfortunate position of being political pariahs Mehmet,

We're already political pariahs. This is why our movement comes from the people, not from the politicians.

, you can't be so naive as to not realize this.

I'm not. Besides, the formation of a pan-turkic state will provide peace and stability for all. I'm sure that we could all use a little bit of stability in international affairs.

Turkey has absolutely nothing to bargain with to alleviate the pressure this would cause.

All alone, perhaps. But if all Turkic nations come together for this cause...anyone who would pressure us into doing something else could only be the worst of tyrants. And we'll stand up to that one too.
And why should we bargain anything for anything that is our birthright?
Nothing in this world is archived by bargain.

It would be self imposed (though perhaps unintentional) isolationism.

Why would we need to isolate ourselves? The rest of the world would isolate itself from us. And should this deter us from doing what we want?
Do we have to bow to the wishes of foreigners?
This, again, is the mentality of the slave, friend. Forgive us for this once, that we do not wish to be your slaves.
But if you want to bring us to our knees by isolation...Be our guest. We've faced worse.

. Your army (like your country) is heavily dependent upon the U.S. You would require yet more weapons and investment in setting up this nation of yours,

It is dependent for now. As long as we're in the NATO, we will be dependent on foreign contractors for weapons. Once we quit the NATO, we shall be free to develop our own weaponry. We do not need your investments. Such investments never brought anything into our country.
For now, Turkey is on a privatisation streak.
What kind of benefits did this have for the common man? Nothing. In fact, it resulted in jobs being lost. Furthermore, it resulted in a piece of ourselves going to the hands of the foreign. It's profits will serve those abroad, not us. Our only gain is by means of taxes(they do not aid in the creation of more jobs). And currently, these taxes are kept very low in order to lure more investors.

You cannot imagine how many dirty money runs this business. Bribes, acquisitions. The new companies that come into the play almost instantly form a monopoly, and charge prices at will.
If we would stop this foreign investment, or keep it to a minimum, or at least, illegalize privatisations of vital social and economical institutions that belong to the government, we would be in a much better state.

and as it seems that military power is of the utmost importance to you this would mean that somebody (and you could always source another supplier, since you seem to think the U.S. is the great white fucking satan, lol) would end up owning you.

It already has, since you're asking. Our purpose remains the same. I'm not saying that we will not purchase something of which we have not a native counterpart, but we will try to be self-sufficient in everything we have, or at least bring forward something that will make the dependency mutual.
This is our goal. But first, we need to stop the selling what our people have created with the blood they shed in our war for independence, and quit the NATO, an unnecessary partnership, which is of no real use to us anymore.

You would be unbelievably indebted to whomever provides you with the means to accomplish this self defeating goal.

Any goal besides Turan is automatically self defeating for us.
We've tried this so-called liberal democracy of yours. We've tried capitalism. We saw how communism is a repressive failure.
Now we're going to try something that holds our people dear to the heart, not money.

Our debts are already as high as they are. Paying them off with selling off our national resources will bring us nowhere else.

Again, due to the nature of the state that you're proposing, it's likely that we wouldn't be feeding you the cash and weapons you need.

Whatever we will do, we will do with our own blood and sweat, friend.
We have won our war of independence, without your help. We can create Turan without your help.
We will do this once we have archived a sufficient degree of self-sufficiency to survive the potential international embargo that you claim will happen if we try to unite.

That would decrease your bargaining power even further, so not only would you be indebted for these things, you'd be getting raked over the coals for them, just because whatever supplier you go with could set their price to whatever they liked.

Are you suggesting that they don't do this as we speak?
They have already done these, friend, you just think that we haven't gone through these before.
We've gone through these because we thought that we could never think of being self-sufficient. We thought of us as nothing more than a nation of peasants. It is time we transcend the notions of what people tell us what we can do, and start going down the trail the founders of this country have gone through. To do what we want to do.

Now, you keep beating your chest about nations trembling under some turkish army, this is a fairy tale Mehm.

Is it a fairy tale that the European nations mobilized crusader armies and fleets to combat the army of a single, determined nation of Turks-the Ottoman empire and the Great Seljuks? Is it a fairy tale that the combined, desperate efforts of the Goths and the once mighty Roman empire has only hindered the Hunnic advance at the Battle of Chalons? Is it a fairy tale, that the grand might of the Göktürk empire was destroyed by the political games of the Chinese?
It certainly is no fairy tale, friend. These are all historically documented things.

Your nation doesn't even register as a blip on the scale of military powers

Sure. And therefore, you haven't still kicked us out of Anatolia. You could bring other folks that could do your bidding for less than a dime.
Greeks, Armenians, Kurds..Slave nations, the lot. They will be happy to take over the country if you'd be so courteous to drive us back to where we came from. Your kind has tried to do this in the aftermath of WWI...And failed. Let's see you try once again, if you think that our army is a joke. Seeing how the arab and the tajik are dropping your soldiers like flies in Iraq and Afghanistan makes me think that it is you who are the greatest of jokes when it comes to the art of war.
We're a nation of warriors. A single determined Turkish soldier is worth ten of your well equipped, but weak spirited, weak minded lot, driven by their corporate masters.

Your only claim to fame are the nuclear weapons -that we gave you-.

We do not lay claim to nuclear weapons. The nukes that are in the American base of İncirlik are the property of the US, or the NATO.
Not ours. After we quit the NATO, we'll return your murderous weapons of mass destruction to you, along with your soldiers and your equipment in those bases. No foreign soldier shall have it's bases at will on our soil anymore!

Fortunately, we had the foresight to deny you the types of delivery systems that would make this a credible threat to an actual superpower (maybe somebody saw you coming Mehm?).

No, I already know that you would sell us nothing that could be of any use against any real threat from the outside. You, being the first on the list. We shall crack whatever codes for the toys of war we have bought from you, and receive what we have payed for. Not something that you also have power over. But then, we shall create our own instruments of war for our defense.

As I've said, it's been tried, but you're welcome to give it another go.

And it was successful. We have achived independence in the early days of our republic. A plane factory was founded in Turkey. We were also on the verge of creating our own car, but again, capitalist agenda proved to be victorious.
On the other hand, these people have called us, who hailed the new car, falsely "communists", while we strongly opposed the Soviet Union. They, however, were the lapdogs of the US.

. It's not like there are people eyeing your lands, right?

There are. Russians, for example. The US is eyeing everyone's lands. China is occupying our lands. Besides that, there are those who hope for assistance from the likes of you in stripping portions of our lands to their own countries, as they did during WWI, and were instead, handed their asses over them by Turkish forces.

People who might immediately find themselves the beneficiaries of legitimate superpowers, people who would then easily court the UN and provide the impetus for sanctions against your brand new state, people who would ultimately end up with a state all their own, rising from the ashes of your failed ethnic holy war?

I doubt that they will have the will to voice these things once we have formed Turan.
But I can see from the way you voice things, the world does not want us to unite. Why would the world oppose the unification of a people that you brand as "barely a blip" on the radar?
Why do you oppose our unification?
Why do the minorities and mixed bloods oppose our unification?
It's simple: They know that our unification will bring about our golden age. A golden age that was never seen before. They know that their own dreams will see their end. They know that they will not easily push others around any more. If we manage to unite, soon, the world will probably see a real arab union too. Then you'd be screwed, friend. You'd be screwed. We Turks do not hate anyone. We just want to be left alone. The arabs are vicious dogs. I suggest you prepare yourself for the worst doomsday scenario. While you are busy chewing on eachother's flesh, we shall look down and laugh.

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The flags of Turanic nations in the yearly Kurultai poster in Hungary.
It might strike you as weird, but the same Hungarians we had battled so fiercely during the days of the Ottoman empire are now hosting the biggest Turanic gathering in the world, from each and every of the peoples of Turan attending to this grand assembly.

An map featuring the Turkic peoples around Eurasia, and their flags. The dark blue regions are sovereign states, the light blue are Turks who live under the sovereignity of other nations, some with a degree of autonomy, like Tatars and Sakha.

This only needs a spark, a small spark. The spark has not been lighted in Turkey, but in Hungary. We have a political party in Hungary, that pushes for a Pan-Turanic alliance in Hungary. It's votes are slowly but steadily rising amongst the Magyars(Hungarians) of the country.
It makes me proud to see, that even though we believe in different religions, Turks and Magyars can still feel brotherly bonds that stem from our kinship through Attila's legacy.

The Hunnic ancestors of the Magyars, at the battle of Chalons. The artist depicts a host of crows following our lines, to feast upon the enemies we have cut down as we ravaged Europe for the first time.
After the Huns, our advance was unstoppable.