RE: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true
April 24, 2012 at 11:21 am
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2012 at 11:26 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 24, 2012 at 10:02 am)Jireh Wrote: has it been proven, naturalism to be true ?
Ignoring the possibility that both you and I are equally wrong? God is not a default.
Quote:how could transformation, or evolution, of dead matter, happen to self conscience and thougt ? Its simply not possible. There is no bridge from one thing to the other. So by the very own existence of hability of thought, you can deduce logically God exists.
Appeals to ignorance and personal incredulity. How we go from this to "logically deducing" anything is something of a mystery. You may be deducing something, but not by means of logic.
Quote:a even more extraordinary claim would be to assert, everything arose from absolutely nothing. That is the alternative you have. Or to claim the universe had no beginning, existing in one form or the other eternally. That would also be a even more extraordinary claim.
These would be the claims of theism. That god (and by extention all else) arose from absolutely nothing, or that god had no beginning, existing in one form or the other eternally. Both extraordinary claims. The position of science and naturalism is "We don't know, but we're looking into it by the only means available to us". Strawman.
Your own positions and explanations, namely "goddid-insert whatever here-" is also a naturalistic explanation. You have a very material fairy tale, composed and compiled by very material creatures, that attempts to explain very material events and occurences, all of this contained and confined within a thing we call "nature". The trouble is that your explanations are insufficient, incorrect, or incoherent.
Anything else?
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