(May 23, 2012 at 2:41 am)Minimalist Wrote: Discredited? Hardly. The documents are there and herr von popenfuhrer is up to his smelly nazi armpits in it. It says far more about you that you will dismiss any evidence that your godboy on earth is a fucking pedophile.
If you can show me any documents which actually show that the Pope was aware of any abuse during this time, then please share. Until then all you have is a letter in which he allows a priest to stay in his diocese (not minister mind) so he can undergo counseling.
(May 23, 2012 at 10:16 am)LarissaAnn Wrote: You can't really compare an Ancient marriage or Ancient society to our times today, it's a weak argument.
Marriage in OUR times and certainly in religious terms, means a sacred bonding of two people as one or in less religious terms, two people sharing their lives together in loving companionship.
I think that marriage in "our times" is currently undergoing a bit of a change itself. For some people, marriage means "sharing your life together" and is essentially just a very expensive romantic gesture with tax benefits. For others, it is about the creation of family and new life. I think saying that those who ascribe to the latter must be "persecuting" those who ascribe to the former is flawed, as flawed as trying to say the ancient Greeks were "persecuting" gays for also having another definition of marriage..
I do understand your point wrt secular vs. religious definitions, though even then this former definition is not limited to the religious. Even nations with hardline state atheism had no gay marriage (or still don't as the case may be). Its a matter of shifting definitions, but I don't think that shift has already occurred.
Mary Immaculate, star of the morning
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.
