Better reasons to quit Christianity

[spockrates]

Do you really still believe I'm trying to trick you into believing omniscience means to know less than all? You are smarter than that, my friend! There is no parlor trick here. If I actually had tried to tricked you, I'm sure you would have revealed by now how the trick was done.

The truth is, I've used no magician's secret and no slight of hand, but simply asked simple questions. All you have to do is answer truthfully what reason tells you: Is the fictional God in whom Christans believe really experienced?

There you go again, unable to continue arguing for the issue of contention you instead decide to fly off to some other garbage claims which will ultimately boil down to jack shit - just like everything about any god whatsoever-.

If the incompatibility of omniscience and free will were enough to prevent you from entertaining christianity you would not be a christian. End of. The two are incompatible.. even in in principle. You have excuses for this (that don't actually excuse it, but hey, whatevs), I'm not exactly surprised.

Has it ever occurred to you that you may not actually be looking to "rule out the impossible" at all...or even engage in any sort of productive logical discussion?

This is extremely simple - If the future can be known, the events of the future are predestined.

If your god -could- know the future and yet chooses not to (or does not, for whatever reason) this doesn't alter whether or not events are predetermined. If it is even possible to know future events, they are.
If it cannot, it is not omniscient, because there is at least one thing that it does not know (future events).

What part of this is giving you so much trouble?

Thanks for making another attempt to help me understand. I guess I simply lack the intelligence to comprehend how what you are saying is true, or I'm completely misunderstanding you, or you are confused.

It sounds like you are saying that if it is possible for God to know the future, but he chooses not to know the future, then what he does not know predetermines what the future will be. This seems to be the exact opposite of what you were saying a few days ago, which was that only God's knowing what the future will be would predetermine what the future is.

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Spockrates, I don't dogmatically hold to much doctrine. I'm studying the different perspectives right now. I'll mention that open theists generally hold that God doesn't know what will happen in the future because there's nothing there to be known (I think this is the A theory of time their forwarding).

Also, I think I've adequately shown that omniscience and free will can coexist in my thread entitled, "How Free Will and Omniscience Works". Perhaps you'll give it a look.


It should be no surprise Spock here is asking so many questions, he's using the spockratic method.

LOL! Yes, I suppose my method is too lacking in logic to seriously be called Spock's and too lacking in wisdom to truly be called Socrates'. Spockratic is perhaps the best method I can manage!

So will you give me an abbreviated version of the point you make in your discussion thread? I'm extremely interested in what you think about it.

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Answering the original question...
Just one stupid reason of the top of my head: imagine the world, the universe, with no god. Imagine your life with no god, but you pretending that there is, just like now. How different would that world be?

I suppose it would be a world where the local Amish would have to give up on the whole non-violence thing. How else could they protect the sexy beasts of buden who pull their buggies?