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What is heaven?
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RE: What is heaven?
(October 15, 2012 at 6:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: Science can't explain the origin of life? I'd say "hasn't yet managed to" explain the origin of life.
You can't (shouldn't) keep your faith based solely on a god-of-the-gaps.

A few points:

I think the word "gap" in the expression "God of the gaps" is euphemistic.

The simple fact is, science can't claim to know where life comes from. It doesn't know.

If I'm walking down the road, and there's a little gap in the sidewalk, ok, no biggie, I can just hop over that and be on my way.

But if I'm walking down the road and all of a sudden there's a thousand mile canyon in my path, that's a big deal.

Why is the origin of life considered a "gap"? I say it's a huge canyon. It means science can't explain a huge, fundamental question. Calling it a "gap" is like pretending science can answer a question that it can't. The reality is that it's the type of knowledge gap/canyon that problematizes the entire conception that the universe and existence is a self-generating phenomenon and that life can be reduced to purely chemical phenomenon.

Next point: That doesn't "prove God exists." Gaps, and even canyons, in scientific knowledge don't prove anything except maybe something about the limits of scientific knowledge.

The point is more like this: There isn't a clear atheistic answer for the origin of life. There are guesses, hopes, dreams, speculations - not answers. There's a clear theistic answer for the origin of life. Why automatically push a theistic answer off the table when atheists don't have a better one?

(October 15, 2012 at 9:55 am)genkaus Wrote:
(October 15, 2012 at 5:20 am)Akincana Krishna dasa Wrote: How do I know my book is better than the other guys? Well, one way to get an idea is to read them. In this case, I think that's really all it takes.

So, I assume you have read all of those other books. Since you happen to know that yours is better than all of them.
You don't have to read every children's coloring book on the market to know that Shakespeare is more sophisticated than all of them put together.

(October 15, 2012 at 9:55 am)genkaus Wrote: Nonsense. Faith is the very antithesis of rationality. There can be no knowledge based on faith - only wishful thinking. The reality you live in is the basis and the precondition for knowledge - not faith.
It's your faith in the "reality you live in" that allows you to know this.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
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What is heaven? - by IATIA - October 12, 2012 at 6:05 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Minimalist - October 12, 2012 at 6:15 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Something completely different - October 12, 2012 at 6:17 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 12, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Aroura - October 17, 2012 at 12:46 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Polaris - October 12, 2012 at 9:31 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by IATIA - October 12, 2012 at 9:45 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Minimalist - October 12, 2012 at 9:42 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 13, 2012 at 5:14 am
RE: What is heaven? - by frankiej - October 13, 2012 at 5:34 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 14, 2012 at 3:41 am
RE: What is heaven? - by pocaracas - October 14, 2012 at 5:39 am
RE: What is heaven? - by downbeatplumb - October 14, 2012 at 6:58 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Darkstar - October 14, 2012 at 8:18 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 15, 2012 at 5:20 am
RE: What is heaven? - by pocaracas - October 15, 2012 at 6:00 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 15, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: What is heaven? - by genkaus - October 15, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: What is heaven? - by pocaracas - October 15, 2012 at 10:38 am
RE: What is heaven? - by genkaus - October 15, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: What is heaven? - by pocaracas - October 15, 2012 at 4:48 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Whateverist - October 14, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by pocaracas - October 13, 2012 at 8:03 am
RE: What is heaven? - by MysticKnight - October 13, 2012 at 4:37 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 15, 2012 at 1:14 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by genkaus - October 15, 2012 at 1:58 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by festive1 - October 15, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Minimalist - October 12, 2012 at 10:09 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by jonb - October 12, 2012 at 10:10 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Godschild - October 13, 2012 at 4:51 am
RE: What is heaven? - by frankiej - October 13, 2012 at 4:55 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Godschild - October 13, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Brian37 - October 14, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Norfolk And Chance - October 16, 2012 at 8:01 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Godschild - October 16, 2012 at 11:20 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Welsh cake - October 13, 2012 at 8:14 am
RE: What is heaven? - by frankiej - October 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Godschild - October 13, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Whateverist - October 13, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Nine - October 13, 2012 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by frankiej - October 13, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Darkstar - October 13, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by IATIA - October 14, 2012 at 10:31 am
RE: What is heaven? - by Polaris - October 14, 2012 at 2:41 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Darkstar - October 14, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Polaris - October 14, 2012 at 4:05 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Darkstar - October 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Polaris - October 15, 2012 at 2:20 am
RE: What is heaven? - by The Grand Nudger - October 15, 2012 at 9:42 am
RE: What is heaven? - by The Grand Nudger - October 15, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 15, 2012 at 1:39 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by Something completely different - October 15, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: What is heaven? - by The Grand Nudger - October 15, 2012 at 1:49 pm

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