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Questions about God and Science
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(October 20, 2012 at 11:59 am)Rhythm Wrote: @IATIA.-I wasn't aware that there was a suitable theory for the origins of the first self replicating molecules as of yet..links? I was aware of the success at New York University but I'm not sure how that applies to origins, as the techniques they used were not "available to the cosmos" as far as we know. I suppose it does show that self replicating molecules can occur without the presence of magic though......
(are we thinking of the same folks?)

Here you go.

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And a follow up.

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Dr. Girish Chandra Wrote:If aminoacids were formed naturally in the oceans, could they also polymerise naturally to form protein microspheres. Calvin (1965) thought that this could happen under three possible conditions: first, if they are dehydrated and subjected to heat. Second, if aminoacids are absorbed in clay or minerals and third, if they reacted with cyanide or phosphate compounds. Sydney Fox (1957) heated a mixture of 20 amino acids and obtained long chains of polypeptides, which immediately formed microspheres in water. They were equivalent to coacervates of Oparin and were called protenoids. Later in 1965, she placed a mixture of dry aminoacids in a block of hot lava and obtained an amber-colored liquid, which when diluted with hot salt solution formed microspheres. Sydney Fox believed that microspheres exhibited some properties of cells, such as they divided by fission, were covered by a double layer of non-fatty membrane and in the presence of zinc they split ATP to obtain energy.
If peptides were formed spontaneously in the primitive oceans, could they duplicate themselves or synthesize new ones in the absence of genetic material. Steinman & Moser (1967) experimentally proved that peptide production could be stimulated by peptides already present in the substrate, without participation of nucleic acids. Perhaps some of them acted as enzymes.

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