RE: The Most Explicit Verses on the Godship of Jesus
November 10, 2012 at 8:39 pm
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2012 at 8:43 pm by Rayaan.)
I've done a little research on the meaning of "son of God" and how it relates to Jesus in the Biblical verses.
Is Jesus the only son of God?
To my knowledge, the answer is no. The Old Testament has many other passages that mention "sons of God" such as the ones below:
(About Israel):
"With weeping they will come, and by supplication I will lead them; I will make them walk by streams of waters, on a straight path in which they will not stumble; For I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.." (Jeremiah 31:9)
(About David):
"I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me; When he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men, but My loving kindness shall not depart from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you." (2 Samuel 7:14-15).
(About Solomon):
"He said to me, ‘Your son Solomon is the one who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him.'" (1 Chronicles 28:6)
God is called a "Father" only in the sense of being a source of protection, sustenance, love, care, or a helper for the believers. These verses indicate that the term "Father" is used in a figurative sense, not literally. In the same way, the word "son" ("Ben" in Hebrew) is also used figuratively, not that they are the "begotten" sons of God. It is basically an honorary title that can be given to all the messengers of God, not only to Jesus.
When the Jewish leaders accused Jesus for claiming to be God (to use that as an excuse to kill him), it doesn't mean that their accusation was correct.
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said, you are gods'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came - and the Scripture cannot be broken - what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?" (John 10:34–36)
So, what Jesus meant was that he was amongst the "sons of God" as mentioned in the Old Testament (which is, because the word of God came to him). The "sons of God" also used to be called "gods" because when Jesus tells the Jews, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said, you are gods'?", he is referring to the following verse found in the Book of Psalms:
"I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High. Nevertheless ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes." (Psalm 82:6-7).
And this:
"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14)
Therefore, according to the Bible itself:
"gods" = to whom the word of God came = sons of God;
"gods" =/= God
This falsifies the belief (Scripture-wise) that Jesus is the one and only son of God or that he was God himself.
When you said "don't do so on my account," I thought that the word "account" meant the account that you registered with on this forum (the account "John V"). But, now I realized that you used the word "account" in the sense of
"A reason given for a particular action or event"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/account
Is Jesus the only son of God?
To my knowledge, the answer is no. The Old Testament has many other passages that mention "sons of God" such as the ones below:
(About Israel):
"With weeping they will come, and by supplication I will lead them; I will make them walk by streams of waters, on a straight path in which they will not stumble; For I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.." (Jeremiah 31:9)
(About David):
"I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me; When he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men, but My loving kindness shall not depart from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you." (2 Samuel 7:14-15).
(About Solomon):
"He said to me, ‘Your son Solomon is the one who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him.'" (1 Chronicles 28:6)
God is called a "Father" only in the sense of being a source of protection, sustenance, love, care, or a helper for the believers. These verses indicate that the term "Father" is used in a figurative sense, not literally. In the same way, the word "son" ("Ben" in Hebrew) is also used figuratively, not that they are the "begotten" sons of God. It is basically an honorary title that can be given to all the messengers of God, not only to Jesus.
When the Jewish leaders accused Jesus for claiming to be God (to use that as an excuse to kill him), it doesn't mean that their accusation was correct.
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said, you are gods'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came - and the Scripture cannot be broken - what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?" (John 10:34–36)
So, what Jesus meant was that he was amongst the "sons of God" as mentioned in the Old Testament (which is, because the word of God came to him). The "sons of God" also used to be called "gods" because when Jesus tells the Jews, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said, you are gods'?", he is referring to the following verse found in the Book of Psalms:
"I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High. Nevertheless ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes." (Psalm 82:6-7).
And this:
"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14)
Therefore, according to the Bible itself:
"gods" = to whom the word of God came = sons of God;
"gods" =/= God
This falsifies the belief (Scripture-wise) that Jesus is the one and only son of God or that he was God himself.
(November 9, 2012 at 8:56 am)John V Wrote:Okay. That was my misunderstanding, then.Quote:Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "don't do so on my account." Don't do what on your account?"Be back with more," as I noted.
When you said "don't do so on my account," I thought that the word "account" meant the account that you registered with on this forum (the account "John V"). But, now I realized that you used the word "account" in the sense of
"A reason given for a particular action or event"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/account
