RE: Would you be an atheist if science and reason wasn't supportive of atheism?
December 5, 2012 at 9:35 am
(This post was last modified: December 5, 2012 at 9:56 am by Creed of Heresy.)
As if science supports atheism? Science doesn't support atheism, it simply dispels mythical thinking and superstition by subjecting the universe around us to empirical tests of evidence, observation, controls, variables, and all the other elements of the scientific method. Bible says earth was created in 7 days, science rejects that and gives us a much more accurate estimate. Bible says that humanity started with two human beings, one of which was created from a rib from the other, science shows that we come from the process of evolution. Bible says that the earth is flat, science has shown otherwise. Bible says the earth has foundations, but science has shown us that the center of the earth [closest you can come to when describing the "foundation" of a globe-shaped physical entity is the center...though this is a fundamental inaccuracy of the term "foundation, but that's what the bible says, so that's what I'm arguing against] is actually a molten core...not what I would call a foundation at all, nor would any. Bible says the dude walked on water, turned water into wine, and was resurrected after he died and floated into sky, where heaven apparently lies. Science tells us that fluid water cannot be walked upon unless it is frozen into a solid, transmutation of H20 into a compound containing ethanol-alcohol literally cannot happen, and the human body is beyond resuscitation after 6 minutes due to the brain shutting down and its neurological transmitters begin deteriorating.
Bible tells us a lot and science disproves virtually all of it. Even the science of archaeology. ESPECIALLY the science of biology.
But say, hypothetically, that science showed that all of this WAS true. That the earth IS 5000 or whatever years old, they we DID come from two suddenly-there humans, that Jesus DID walk on water and turned it into wine and died and came back to life. Then no, I wouldn't be an atheist because by all logical means I would be given proof that the biblical claims are fact, and since atheism is essentially "there is no evidence to back up your claim therefore I have no reason to see it as fact," I could not be an atheist, it would make no sense whatsoever.
I'll be honest, here, if all this stuff came up showing some religion or another was true and accurate, I may believe it...but I wouldn't necessarily believe IN it. If they wanted me to worship god, well, first I'd have to posit the questions of "why" and "how" and then "why" to the "how." Why worship this god? Is he insecure? Why is he so insecure that he needs worship? Why is he not above petty human emotions? What benefits do I hold to reap? What kind of worship? What happens as a result of said worship? It would make things very complicated, I imagine. And then comes the question, is this god even WORTHY of my worship? Simply starting my race out isn't much of a reason to worship him, given all the myriad plagues, torments, and traumas the experience of life entails. Does service to this godly thing get me an eternity in paradise? And what IS paradise, exactly? Cuz MY paradise might sound VERY different to the paradise the catholics have in mind. MY paradise would entail lots of buxom, green-eyed, curvy-figured redheads wearing nothing but fishnet lingerie constantly eager for me to wreck them and the bedroom, with all the video games in the world along with the most expensive LED TV and surround sound system you could imagine, where my home is an enormous palacial estate with an enormous party hall that is CONSTANTLY filled with all the people I like partying the fuck down in an endless whirl of debauchery, comaraderie, drinking, toking, eating, and fucking. Whereas a catholic paradise might be more, like...floating in the air all day polishing this godly deity's anus. And if the catholic "paradise" is the one I get sent to...I have no fucking desire for that shit. And what's the punishment? Hell? How do I actually know that hell even exists, considering its invention came LATER?
There's all these problems and complications that would have to be addressed before I could even begin to believe IN the religion. I wouldn't be an atheist, but I wouldn't be religious, either. I'd THEN become an apatheist, until given a reason not to be. And trying to SCARE me into submission won't do much more than return me to antitheism.
Good thing we don't have to worry about any of this since science exists, eh? Isn't that right, my fellow "atheist?" Vinny? Right? XD
Bible tells us a lot and science disproves virtually all of it. Even the science of archaeology. ESPECIALLY the science of biology.
But say, hypothetically, that science showed that all of this WAS true. That the earth IS 5000 or whatever years old, they we DID come from two suddenly-there humans, that Jesus DID walk on water and turned it into wine and died and came back to life. Then no, I wouldn't be an atheist because by all logical means I would be given proof that the biblical claims are fact, and since atheism is essentially "there is no evidence to back up your claim therefore I have no reason to see it as fact," I could not be an atheist, it would make no sense whatsoever.
I'll be honest, here, if all this stuff came up showing some religion or another was true and accurate, I may believe it...but I wouldn't necessarily believe IN it. If they wanted me to worship god, well, first I'd have to posit the questions of "why" and "how" and then "why" to the "how." Why worship this god? Is he insecure? Why is he so insecure that he needs worship? Why is he not above petty human emotions? What benefits do I hold to reap? What kind of worship? What happens as a result of said worship? It would make things very complicated, I imagine. And then comes the question, is this god even WORTHY of my worship? Simply starting my race out isn't much of a reason to worship him, given all the myriad plagues, torments, and traumas the experience of life entails. Does service to this godly thing get me an eternity in paradise? And what IS paradise, exactly? Cuz MY paradise might sound VERY different to the paradise the catholics have in mind. MY paradise would entail lots of buxom, green-eyed, curvy-figured redheads wearing nothing but fishnet lingerie constantly eager for me to wreck them and the bedroom, with all the video games in the world along with the most expensive LED TV and surround sound system you could imagine, where my home is an enormous palacial estate with an enormous party hall that is CONSTANTLY filled with all the people I like partying the fuck down in an endless whirl of debauchery, comaraderie, drinking, toking, eating, and fucking. Whereas a catholic paradise might be more, like...floating in the air all day polishing this godly deity's anus. And if the catholic "paradise" is the one I get sent to...I have no fucking desire for that shit. And what's the punishment? Hell? How do I actually know that hell even exists, considering its invention came LATER?
There's all these problems and complications that would have to be addressed before I could even begin to believe IN the religion. I wouldn't be an atheist, but I wouldn't be religious, either. I'd THEN become an apatheist, until given a reason not to be. And trying to SCARE me into submission won't do much more than return me to antitheism.
Good thing we don't have to worry about any of this since science exists, eh? Isn't that right, my fellow "atheist?" Vinny? Right? XD