(December 18, 2012 at 4:56 pm)median Wrote:(December 18, 2012 at 1:38 pm)catfish Wrote: You guys still do NOT get it... I supported my claims, specifically the Greek word that was translated. Moving the goal posts does not change a thing.
Both Gooders and Darkstar were afaid to voice their own opinion regarding the translation of "eternal". Both chickened out but one did admit to "doubt" (my word).
You are both invited to read my points and state your opinions here. It would be awesome to see an atheist admit I was right for once. lol
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HUH? This is absolutely one of the weakest things I've ever heard. I already told you. I DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT YOUR BIBLE, or what it CLAIMS. I want to know WHY YOU accept it as authoritative on ANY subject. I want you to DEMONSTRATE your deity. It does absolutely no good to quote your bible. I know the bible very well (as I taught bible classes and argued as an apologist for 15+ years) and I've taken part in LOTS of arguments of hermeneutics, biblical exegesis, Greek/Hebrew interpretation/exposition. I don't care. The burden of proof is not on me. It is on YOU.
You keep dodging and trying to shift the burden of proof - as if some translation, or your interpretation, of the bible is going to change anything. It won't, because that is the very thing in question.
Now, you made at least two claims earlier, 1) that your deity is unknowable, and 2) that it MUST exist outside our "universe". So the burden of proof is now on you to do the following:
-Define your "deity". What does that term refer to?
-Demonstrate how you know this deity exists
-Demonstrate how you know this deity is "unknowable"
-Demonstrate how you know "it" MUST exist outside what we call "the universe" (that we now perceive)
Otherwise, you are just practicing religious CREDULITY and GULLIBILITY. It's really as simple as that.
Dude, seriously, I'm feeling pretty sorry for you right about now. So you argued appologetics for 15 years? Really? I've never been naive enough to believe all of that shit, you must be extremely gullible to devote that much time to defending it. Hades, I could have saved you 15 years of wasted time...
I never made a "claim" regarding my "deity", I was asked a question. That question does not change the OP nor the fact that you and others were attempting to claim that I wasn't a "True Christian™". It was agreed by others that the Bible was the standard to determine who was a Christian, as well as an agreed upon definition. If you can't discuss the OP without displaying at least a tiny bit of intellectual honesty, then you're no better than a troll. If you can't concede that Chritians exist, then you're fucking delusional, period.
But please, I really do love whiny rants, so if you would be so kind, I can use the entertainment. If by some odd miracle that you actually want to learn something, research for yourself which word was translated to eternal and post your interpretation here.
*I predict "waa waa waa!" lol
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