catfish Wrote:LOL! You'll never see your flaws...
When you recognise you are in the same position (no proof), we will continue this. Until then, you both can fuck off, k?

You're always laughing in the face of your inadequacy. Insane people do the same thing.oh well, it really changes nothing.

What exactly don't I have proof OF?
No proof? Sure, fine, we can say that.
But I have evidences upon evidences upon evidences! A vast amount of evidence; millions of pieces of evidence!!! All found right here in this REALITY.

What do you have?!?! Evidence- NO. Simply... No. What you do have is an imagination and a malignant tumor of gullibility. If I ask, you will dodge, so I will just say: IF you believe in an all powerful deity, who exists BEYOND this reality, and can control this reality... Then you believe that he can create and send "superman" here to exist and be real. That is the thinking of a five year old; but for an adult, is insane. with that logic, you would do well not to engage me in debate (unless you really are trying to be honest with yourself) as you will undoubtedly fail miserably and I can tell that you don't like losing.

Make no mistakes, you didn't bow out, you lost. Plain and simple. Get used to it.

(December 17, 2012 at 8:49 pm)catfish Wrote: LOL! You'll never see your flaws...
When you recognise you are in the same position (no proof), we will continue this. Until then, you both can fuck off, k?
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CHECKMATE!

Hook, line, and sinker

LOL! Claiming victory does not make it true...
This is NOT about my "deity", this is about Goober's views of what a Christian believes. And of course, the subsequent "True Christian™" game...
Spec asked, I answered. They are my opinions, no more. Now, if you (anyone) wish to bring forth their proof of what caused the universe, do it. If you can't provide proof, please tell me what you believe and what logic compells you to eliminate intelligent design.
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What YOU and I provided, together, was PROOF that you are indeed insane. Thus, you are not fit for such topics of debate, that clearly call for a FAR greater intellectual capability than any of that which you have been capable of demonstrating. You are way out of you're league here and would do well to go ask your parents how to argue with someone who is intelligent, not gullible, and confident. Go watch superman and be all like... Awwwwwww, woooooowwwww, god can do that!

(December 17, 2012 at 10:46 pm)SpecUVdust Wrote: What YOU and I provided, together, was PROOF that you are indeed insane. Thus, you are not fit for such topics of debate, that clearly call for a FAR greater intellectual capability than any of that which you have been capable of demonstrating. You are way out of you're league here and would do well to go ask your parents how to argue with someone who is intelligent, not gullible, and confident. Go watch superman and be all like... Awwwwwww, woooooowwwww, god can do that!

catfish Wrote:Spec asked, I answered. They are my opinions, no more. Now, if you (anyone) wish to bring forth their proof of what caused the universe, do it. If you can't provide proof, please tell me what you believe and what logic compells you to eliminate intelligent design.

I have claimed proof of your insanity, even if it is temporary(being nice). Other than that, no, I have not claimed proof. So you wanna know why. Many on my side will simply say there is no need for id because there's no sign, no evidence, no reason. Whilst I completely agree with that, I personally feel there are clear indications that it is completely and directly "a false assumption."

My answer depends on how much time you have lol. So far you got the brief summary. I will now give you my short answer(a vid that holds some of my exact understanding). Now, if you want me to spend my time writing all of the many reasons I know there was never any id, you must first learn to present yourself in an honest fashion and have a little more knowledge on the subject. Watch the vid, it may help you try harder next time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w2M50_Xdk&sns=em

(December 17, 2012 at 10:36 pm)catfish Wrote: LOL! Claiming victory does not make it true...
This is NOT about my "deity", this is about Goober's views of what a Christian believes. And of course, the subsequent "True Christian™" game...
Spec asked, I answered. They are my opinions, no more. Now, if you (anyone) wish to bring forth their proof of what caused the universe, do it. If you can't provide proof, please tell me what you believe and what logic compells you to eliminate intelligent design.
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No, we claimed victory because it WAS true. LOL. You are making an argument from ignorance, and then trying to shift the burden of proof - acting as if we are somehow obligated to give an account of things which modern science has yet to completely discover or understand. You are attempting to act as if we are on equal ground with you. WE-ARE-NOT. Why? Because you have made a positive claim about your deity, and the universe, and we have made no such positive claims - whether it be about a deity or about what we currently CALL the universe. The burden of proof is not on us, since we haven't made a claim. The burden is on you. You claimed (without defining it) that your deity exists "outside the universe" (whatever that means) and that it is "unknowable". Now please demonstrate how you know these things.

Lastly, it seems highly and outright disingenuous to say you are expressing "just your opinion". Do you always express "just" your opinion by saying "fuck off" or acting in this stringent abrasive/defensive fashion? Really, I don't care about "just" opinion. I care about what is actually true and demonstrable. Please stop trying to turn the tables (burden shifting) and tell us why you believe these assertions about your deity. Otherwise, please leave because it is a waste of time.

p.s. - Ya see that big sign up there ^^^^^?? That one that says, "Atheist Forums"??? You came into an atheist forum, knowing damn well that (at the very least) many of us are going to disagree with you, and yet (still) you refuse to take the questions you have been asked seriously. Why? Why come here at all if you're just going to dodge??

Catfish, you need to understand that what median just wrote is absolutely correct. The burden is on you, not us, to address your claims. We did not need to even acknowledge your unfounded radical claim/s. but we did. Out of kindness. Out of compassion. Out of the idea that you could benefit from examples of what it means to truly skeptically interrogate, which is what you SHOULD be doing... Unto YOURSELF and YOUR OWN CLAIMS!

Didn't anybody ever teach you not to confuse kindness with weakness?

You guys still do NOT get it... I supported my claims, specifically the Greek word that was translated. Moving the goal posts does not change a thing.
Both Gooders and Darkstar were afaid to voice their own opinion regarding the translation of "eternal". Both chickened out but one did admit to "doubt" (my word).

You are both invited to read my points and state your opinions here. It would be awesome to see an atheist admit I was right for once. lol
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